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[Keileon]

Phasma Infodump

[15:54:32] Keileon Zio look http://orig08.deviantart.net/98c0/f/2015...9f1qil.png
[15:56:31] Ziolang Looks so happy to see me
[15:56:46] Keileon Yeah, because you're food
[15:57:14] Cerberus It's okay, Zio
[15:57:17] Cerberus It thought I was food, too
[15:57:49] Ziolang It still does
[15:58:06] Keileon Let me get the infodump from earlier
[15:58:32] Keileon [15:13:25] Keileon I feel like Rai uses his chains as a weapon. When I was drawing them it almost felt like he was trapping the viewer.
[15:58:32] Keileon [15:16:51] Keileon Those chains on a Phasma are actually supposed to wrap around them to restrain them, but Rai managed to break his. They keep spirits from passing through and escaping, which can probably extend to spirits still in a body, so I think he might have turned them into a hunting tool
[15:58:32] Keileon [15:20:38] Keileon (Phasma aren't completely crippled by their chains they just have to account for them when hunting. Rai's extremely dangerous in that regard.)
[15:58:32] Keileon [15:23:18] Keileon Actually maybe Tobias broke them
[16:00:20] Ziolang These chains I assume are of a special quality to be able to bind a phasma?
[16:00:25] Keileon Yeah
[16:01:08] Ziolang I'd imagine Toby wouldn't necessarily be able to break the chains then
[16:01:22] Ziolang But that's all based on what little knowledge I currently have
[16:03:06] Keileon My line of thought with that is Phasma are a bit like viruses or parasitic fungi when it comes to their "minds", their will, and how one would interact with a dracomancer. The instant Toby made Rai his Familiar, Toby's own will started getting overshadowed by Rai's, and obviously Rai would want his chains off
[16:04:00] Keileon Toby may not have been able to do it himself, but he probably found a way. The chains are meant to bind souls, not physical bodies.
[16:07:59] Flem Just saw the chained drawing
[16:08:12] Flem That's probably the coolest thing you've drawn (as per my tastes)
[16:08:21] Keileon Thank you
[16:10:32] Ziolang Then again he could always have Destiny do it lol...!
[16:10:39] Keileon maybe

[Keileon]

Shii-Ra Xerseus

[2015-09-25 02:17:03] <Keileon> Mmm
[2015-09-25 02:17:08] <Keileon> I'm wondering
[2015-09-25 02:17:16] <Keileon> He was an assassin right?
[2015-09-25 02:17:33] <Dark> Yes
[2015-09-25 02:17:46] <Keileon> And I've been wanting to throw Shii-Ra in somewhere
[2015-09-25 02:18:01] <Dark> [skyrim intensifies]
[2015-09-25 02:18:12] <Dark> (I'm listening)
[2015-09-25 02:18:12] <ZioPhone> Also back to work so pseudo afk
[2015-09-25 02:18:18] <Keileon> The Sarkiri have their own assassin group and I already knew they had some sort of relation with Ferona
[2015-09-25 02:18:37] <Dark> I actually completely forgot about that
[2015-09-25 02:18:53] <Dark> Go on
[2015-09-25 02:19:37] <Keileon> The Sarkiri are a spacefaring species so it's not inconceivable that they brought their assassin culture thing over to Ferona and Shii-Ra and Jack know each other through that
[2015-09-25 02:21:04] <Dark> Amusingly, this could possibly result in Shii-Ra being apprehensive of Jack out the gate, which could lead to some interesting things in itself given Jack quit and severed ties with the assassins
[2015-09-25 02:21:42] <Dark> Even more amusing is if we figure out the shinigami route, things could get... fun.
[2015-09-25 02:21:52] <Dark> considering he went rogue there
[2015-09-25 02:22:01] <Keileon> I dunno. Shii-Ra's supposed to be introduced because he got caught by whatever authorities, then broke free and wandered around trying to get his restraints off
[2015-09-25 02:22:34] <Dark> Also
[2015-09-25 02:23:26] <Dark> Jack's watch exists as a direct result of his involvement with the assassins, so it's not out of the realm of possibility for Shii-Ra to have one or at least something similar, which would prompt an OH SHIT reaction from Jack if he notices
[2015-09-25 02:23:34] <Keileon> oooo
[2015-09-25 02:24:09] <Dark> Of course his isn't a standard issue as it's essentially his second brain, but the design is similar
[2015-09-25 02:24:36] <Keileon> By "something similar" maybe something similar to anything he's wearing here? http://www.furaffinity.net/full/17249983/
[2015-09-25 02:25:19] <Keileon> or idk it could be in one of the pouches
[2015-09-25 02:25:19] <Dark> Nothing /immediately/ visible, but that doesn't mean it couldn't've been concealed
[2015-09-25 02:26:02] <Keileon> I like this idea
[2015-09-25 02:26:13] <Dark> Also there is definitely a reason for his red headband in particular, so the bandoliers being accented in red are a cool thing
[2015-09-25 02:26:26] <Dark> He never had the headband as a kid
[2015-09-25 02:26:44] <Dark> Sam has a similar red Thing, but in his case it's a scarf
[2015-09-25 02:26:57] <Dark> since both of them were taken
[2015-09-25 02:27:08] <Dark> seperated for years, but they ended up part of the same machine
[2015-09-25 02:27:09] <Keileon> Shii-Ra likes red.
[2015-09-25 02:27:16] <Dark> LOL
[2015-09-25 02:27:38] <Keileon> His weapons and outfit are accented in red, his warpaint is red
[2015-09-25 02:27:39] <Dark> Here I am brainstorming complex ideas, and Shii-Ra just likes red
[2015-09-25 02:27:47] <Keileon> ^
[2015-09-25 02:28:11] <Keileon> Definitely possible, though
[2015-09-25 02:28:17] <Dark> I suppose it could be a bonus that red is associated with Jack and Sam's units in some way
[2015-09-25 02:29:01] <Dark> no brain stop
[2015-09-25 02:29:01] <Dark> STOP
[2015-09-25 02:29:04] <Keileon> ???
[2015-09-25 02:29:24] <Dark> Shii-Ra notices the red accents on the reaper blade, steals it from Jack and goes on a killing spree
[2015-09-25 02:29:30] <Keileon> LMAO
[2015-09-25 02:29:44] <Keileon> Well that would certainly be in character
[2015-09-25 02:29:51] <Dark> I KNOW
[2015-09-25 02:29:59] <Dark> THAT'S WHY IT'S SO GOOD
[2015-09-25 02:30:32] <Dark> we should definitely explore this shit more
[2015-09-25 02:30:43] <Dark> and maybe do little inserts or something with it
[2015-09-25 02:30:51] <Dark> because this is too good to just sit on
[2015-09-25 02:31:29] <Keileon> I've been toying with the idea that Shii-Ra has this sort of trigger where, if someone of higherauthority tells him/someone pays him to kill someone he will /fixate/ on that target and will not give up the hunt until the target is dead
[2015-09-25 02:32:01] <Keileon> Which is likely an inherent part of their society
[2015-09-25 02:32:26] <Dark> I will say this: the biggest mistake the assassin group made when moving Jack to his current body was retaining his ability to think for himself
[2015-09-25 02:32:41] <Keileon> ...
[2015-09-25 02:32:43] <Keileon> . . .
[2015-09-25 02:32:45] <Keileon> Um
[2015-09-25 02:32:51] <Keileon> When you say he severed ties
[2015-09-25 02:32:54] <Keileon> How do you mean
[2015-09-25 02:33:11] <Dark> Well, not OFFICIALLY
[2015-09-25 02:33:18] <Dark> Remember he's essentially a wanted man
[2015-09-25 02:33:26] <Keileon> Exactly my point.
[2015-09-25 02:33:27] <Dark> He broke out and ran for it
[2015-09-25 02:33:37] <Keileon> Please tell me you see what I see
[2015-09-25 02:33:44] <Dark> . . .
[2015-09-25 02:33:47] <Dark> Jack as target?
[2015-09-25 02:33:49] <Keileon> Yes
[2015-09-25 02:33:55] <Dark> This works
[2015-09-25 02:34:01] <Dark> This works VERY WELL
[2015-09-25 02:34:41] <Keileon> Which explains why/how he finds CoU of all things, if he has that sort of intel on the ocation of his target
[2015-09-25 02:34:42] <Dark> I gives me a chance to play out his original story but translated better for the Manaverse
[2015-09-25 02:34:45] <Keileon> *location
[2015-09-25 02:35:03] <Dark> ...
[2015-09-25 02:35:13] <Dark> What if Dean was the contractee?
[2015-09-25 02:35:18] <Dark> or higher authority
[2015-09-25 02:35:25] <Keileon> I uhh. Forget who that is.
[2015-09-25 02:35:33] <Keileon> Or well
[2015-09-25 02:35:41] <Keileon> I know his role and that's it
[2015-09-25 02:36:27] <Dark> He was basically Jack's mentor while he was in the assassins, but when Jack found out who he really was and what he'd done to get him there, that's what made Jack leave
[2015-09-25 02:36:36] <Keileon> Ah
[2015-09-25 02:37:41] <Dark> and when Jack left, Sam managed to get out on the same day and has been in hiding since
[2015-09-25 02:38:59] <Keileon> Well we just came up with a plot in the span of twenty minutes
[2015-09-25 02:39:54] <Dark> ^
[2015-09-25 02:40:01] <Dark> would be a shame to just sit on it
[2015-09-25 02:40:05] <Keileon> ^
[2015-09-25 02:40:22] <Dark> maybe we can fit it in after dergs
[2015-09-25 02:44:26] <Keileon> The only issue I see is it's likely to end with Shii-Ra dead and that makes me sad
[2015-09-25 02:44:53] <Eebit> i see no issue with this
[2015-09-25 02:45:34] <Keileon> :<
[2015-09-25 02:46:00] <Eebit> jkjk
[2015-09-25 02:46:38] <Dark> You never know
[2015-09-25 02:48:49] <Dark> we should definitely develop this more
[2015-09-25 02:49:06] <Dark> who knows, if you're up for it, maybe they end up meeting in Prime too
[2015-09-25 02:49:16] <Eebit> More interplanetary developments are always rad
[2015-09-25 02:49:31] <Keileon> Yeah sure
[2015-09-25 02:50:27] <Dark> and since we have someone SANE at the helm of Prime's equivalent to the Cult, he might not die immediately!!!
[2015-09-25 02:51:22] <Keileon> The reason Shii-Ra might die isn't becuse Jason's lost it
[2015-09-25 02:51:35] <Keileon> It's because he's fixated on killing Jack
[2015-09-25 02:54:31] <Keileon> It's more because once Shii-Ra gets pinned on a target it's hard to make him let the hunt go
[2015-09-25 02:54:44] <Keileon> So he'll still be dangerous
[2015-09-25 02:54:55] <Keileon> Then again HQ literally has a prison for a basement
[2015-09-25 02:55:02] <Dark> ^
[2015-09-25 02:55:06] <Dark> return of the clown room
[2015-09-25 02:57:34] <Keileon> I forgot a detail about Shii-Ra
[2015-09-25 02:58:01] <Keileon> I have zero clue how this happened (since he's based on my Skyrim file) but he has a soft spot for kids
[2015-09-25 02:58:10] <Keileon> So G2 might like him later
[2015-09-25 03:03:36] <Dark> (hopefully he doesn't end up broken like your skyrim file)
[2015-09-25 03:03:52] <Keileon> oh my god that fucking file
[2015-09-25 03:04:04] <Keileon> so many mods and console shenanigans
[2015-09-25 03:12:24] <Keileon> I wonder if it would be possible to get Shii-Ra to abandon the hunt
[2015-09-25 03:12:42] <Dark> Well yes
[2015-09-25 03:12:47] <Dark> but how difficult is the question
[2015-09-25 03:13:04] <Keileon> Mmm
[2015-09-25 03:16:02] <Keileon> The way that Sarkiri assassins work, I think, it would be nigh impossible to talk him out of it by traditional means
[2015-09-25 03:21:58] <Shadow> he dies gg

[2015-09-25 03:42:00] <Dark> but yeah we should definitely do more dev later today
[2015-09-25 03:42:23] <Keileon> Yes
[2015-09-25 03:43:13] <Keileon> Another question is whether they KNOW each other or if Jack just notices the gear
[2015-09-25 03:43:22] <Keileon> I prefer the latter, better reaction
[2015-09-25 03:43:57] <Keileon> Also I need to develop whatever trigger's been cemented in his brain so I know if it's bypassable or removeable
[2015-09-25 03:44:21] <Keileon> Might end up being a drug or something
[2015-09-25 03:44:43] <Dark> I wouldn't think the knew each other
[2015-09-25 03:44:56] <Dark> given they were probably both out on orders a lot
[2015-09-25 03:45:01] <Keileon> Likely
[2015-09-25 03:45:35] <Dark> Jack would definitely recognise the colors/tech though
[2015-09-25 03:45:42] <Dark> which could lead to interesting things
[2015-09-25 03:45:46] <Keileon> yes
[2015-09-25 03:46:14] <Keileon> (kind of funny, sarkiri are fairly advanced techwise and shii-ra still uses a bow)
[2015-09-25 03:46:25] <Keileon> ((and daggers))
[2015-09-25 03:55:17] <Keileon> Okay yeah I can't think of an explanation for Shii-Ra's killing trigger beyond psychic or magic shenanigans
[2015-09-25 03:55:35] <Zio> Killing trigger?
[2015-09-25 03:55:40] <Keileon> Though if it's psychic Jude could likely override it
[2015-09-25 03:55:45] <Keileon> Give me a sec
[2015-09-25 03:56:00] <Zio> times up
[2015-09-25 03:56:19] <Keileon> [02:31:29] Keileon I've been toying with the idea that Shii-Ra has this sort of trigger where, if someone of higherauthority tells him/someone pays him to kill someone he will /fixate/ on that target and will not give up the hunt until the target is dead
[2015-09-25 03:56:19] <Keileon> [02:32:01] Keileon Which is likely an inherent part of their society
[2015-09-25 03:57:26] <Zio> Oh that? I didn't realize you meant a literal trigger.
[2015-09-25 03:57:42] <Keileon> Wait, what else would I have meant?
[2015-09-25 03:58:51] <Zio> like, sparky sparky boom man I guess
[2015-09-25 03:58:58] <Keileon> wut
[2015-09-25 03:59:22] <Zio> idk if youve seen avatar so
[2015-09-25 03:59:31] <Keileon> Oh that guy
[2015-09-25 03:59:37] <Keileon> (I've seen tLA)
[2015-09-25 04:00:12] <Zio> Where even after the job was recalled he followed through
[2015-09-25 04:00:23] <Keileon> Yeah I get it now
[2015-09-25 04:00:36] <Keileon> With Shii-Ra it's an actual, strong compulsion
[2015-09-25 04:00:37] <Zio> Ok
[2015-09-25 04:01:06] <Zio> A mental state
[2015-09-25 04:01:26] <Keileon> Even if he himself is talked out of it it will constantly bother and grate on him and he /will/ eventually give in and kill
[2015-09-25 04:01:51] <Zio> so yeah, most likely just a high level of discipline of mind where he can shut everything else off
[2015-09-25 04:02:38] <Zio> you wouldn't be able to talk someone out of that without shutting it off altogether methinks
[2015-09-25 04:04:29] <Keileon> So, what, would that require full-on rehabilitation?
[2015-09-25 04:05:44] <Zio> Cause like, what you're describing is that he effectively becomes a different person while this trigger is active; which makes sense cause when the trigger is off, it has zero reprecussions on his normal self. This way the assassin can kill without conscience and feel nothing toward it afterward
[2015-09-25 04:07:20] <Keileon> Mmm
[2015-09-25 04:07:50] <Zio> this is actually a real thing people develop. Now if he were somehow forcefully pulled out of the state, he would likely enter a state of light to severe PTSD. So it's /possible/ he could relapse but he'd be more likely to start feeling emotions from violence again
[2015-09-25 04:08:09] <Keileon> So if it's a disciplinary thing then there's very likely a Ceskian version of the Shadowscales to further the Dark Brotherhood/Argonian reference
[2015-09-25 04:08:38] <Zio> I never did the DB questline so
[2015-09-25 04:08:48] <Keileon> (Shadowscales being Argonians born under a certain star sign and trained from birth to be assassins)
[2015-09-25 04:09:10] <Zio> oh yes, very likely
[2015-09-25 04:10:04] <Keileon> So he was probably given this training from a very young age and it's probably going to require some forcible rehab to get rid of
[2015-09-25 04:10:09] <Zio> Someone of Shii-Ra's talents would have to have this failsafe trigger or he'd lose his sanity and sense of identity. That's the difference between a trained assassin and a murderer
[2015-09-25 04:12:40] <Zio> Assassin's like him maintain a true sense of identity and life by simply turning it off when they get a job
[2015-09-25 04:14:16] <Zio> But like I said, if you forcefully turn his humane side back on, it merges with the assassin portion.
[2015-09-25 04:16:34] <Zio> I have no idea where I even got all that lol. Just came in the moment
[2015-09-25 04:16:40] <Keileon> lel
[2015-09-25 04:17:11] <Dark> Hm
[2015-09-25 04:17:27] <Dark> This actually might explain why Jack is different in that respect
[2015-09-25 04:17:42] <Dark> The "computer" brain may well have been his assassin side
[2015-09-25 04:18:19] <Keileon> So Sarkiri have this weird disciplinary trigger and Jack has a computer brain
[2015-09-25 04:18:59] <Dark> I feel like the idea is stupid
[2015-09-25 04:19:03] <Keileon> ?
[2015-09-25 04:19:21] <Dark> I dunno, from the way that response was worded it sort of seemed like backhanded humor
[2015-09-25 04:19:31] <Keileon> Nah
[2015-09-25 04:19:43] <Keileon> Just a comment
[2015-09-25 04:20:30] <Zio> And while the trigger is inactive, they're likely super nice ppl. Like shii ra liking kids
[2015-09-25 04:21:06] <Keileon> Sarkiri have a very hunter-centric society and actively hunt members of another sapient race called the Kovulzel
[2015-09-25 04:21:25] <Keileon> So either ALL Sarkiri have this trigger and they use it for hunting, or they're cold by nature
[2015-09-25 04:22:34] <Zio> Not necessarily
[2015-09-25 04:22:47] <Zio> Humans dont feel anything when they squash a bug
[2015-09-25 04:22:58] <Keileon> Bugs aren't sapient
[2015-09-25 04:23:04] <Keileon> With their own societies
[2015-09-25 04:23:09] <Zio> if you look at the other race as less than you, it suddenly becomes easy
[2015-09-25 04:23:11] <Keileon> except maybe hiveminds
[2015-09-25 04:23:37] <Keileon> Then why would it be different for assassins?
[2015-09-25 04:24:25] <Keileon> Maybe the hunters are the ones with the trigger and the assassins are a branchoff
[2015-09-25 04:25:40] <Zio> Because an assassin understands his target is "human" like he is
[2015-09-25 04:25:56] <Keileon> But the Sarkiri aren't human :V
[2015-09-25 04:26:07] <Keileon> (yes, I'm being difficult now)
[2015-09-25 04:26:12] <Zio> I knew you would lol
[2015-09-25 04:26:37] <Zio> you misunderstand the difference between numbing/brainwashing and a mental trigger
[2015-09-25 04:26:53] <Keileon> So basically the difference between killing for food and killing because you were told/paid to
[2015-09-25 04:26:59] <Zio> yes
[2015-09-25 04:27:46] <Zio> You never truly get used to killing your own kind unless you become something without feeling; without bias
[2015-09-25 04:28:33] <Zio> Someone who likes kids is going to cave if his target has his kids around.
[2015-09-25 04:28:52] * Keileon is reminded of The Bourne Identity
[2015-09-25 04:29:04] <Zio> Lol
[2015-09-25 04:29:07] <Zio> so was i
[2015-09-25 04:30:21] <Zio> Which is a good example btw
[2015-09-25 04:30:43] <Keileon> I haven't seen it in years I just remember that scene
[2015-09-25 04:30:47] <Zio> he was forcefully pulled out which actually what caused his amnesia
[2015-09-25 04:31:31] <Keileon> So I'm wondering how Shii-Ra in particular would react
[2015-09-25 04:31:57] <Zio> But even when he coildnt remember he was still partly in assassin mode. Seeing ways out naturally; keeping tally on guards for seemingly no reason etc
[2015-09-25 04:31:58] <Keileon> He's, uh... killed a lot of people. Some of which were collateral or unnecessary.
[2015-09-25 04:32:26] <Zio> So yeah. Good luck with that
[2015-09-25 04:32:29] <Keileon> (basically: DO NOT piss him off or get in his way when he's on a job)
[2015-09-25 04:35:44] <Zio> So best route would be to have Shii ra believe he succeeded in killing jack
[2015-09-25 04:35:58] <Zio> Fake jacks death
[2015-09-25 04:36:09] <Keileon> Mmm
[2015-09-25 04:36:20] <Keileon> I'm unsure how smoothly that would go
[2015-09-25 04:36:37] <Zio> Good luck getting it passed a highly trained assassin tho...!
[2015-09-25 04:36:49] <Keileon> ^
[2015-09-25 04:37:11] <Zio> Itd be easier than snapping him out of it is wut i meant by best
[2015-09-25 04:37:21] <Keileon> Ah
[2015-09-25 04:41:30] <Zio> I wanna talk about this a bit more but need focus on work now
[2015-09-25 04:41:40] <Zio> So later on
[2015-09-25 04:41:47] <Keileon> kk
[2015-09-25 04:42:48] <Zio> Just remind me to talk abiut the assassin's "glitch"

[2015-09-25 16:11:49] <Keileon> Also Zio, assassin glitch :V
[2015-09-25 16:12:46] <Ziolang> oh right yes
[2015-09-25 16:13:14] <Ziolang> The glitch in the trigger
[2015-09-25 16:14:51] <Ziolang> As with everything else, this is just personal speculation. But I'd imagine there is no perfect trigger. There will always be hiccups, "glitches", where the part of the subconscious that feels the action is wrong will pop up, if only for a split second.
[2015-09-25 16:14:56] <Ziolang> For example:
[2015-09-25 16:17:13] <Ziolang> You pause for a second; you let the victim catch you just before you end them; the person has already discovered you and you let them say something or two
[2015-09-25 16:17:47] <Keileon> [16:17:06] Dark the glitch is if he questions shit, in true ES glitch fashion, he melts into the floor
[2015-09-25 16:17:47] <Keileon> [16:17:16] Keileon LMAO
[2015-09-25 16:18:14] <Ziolang> Obviously this wouldn't happen frequently; and ultimately it would have no real effect on the outcome or the assassin's psyche
[2015-09-25 16:19:19] <Keileon> It would just cause some hesitation
[2015-09-25 16:19:32] <Ziolang> Because the assassin mode would accept he has these moments and just ignore them when they passed; and when the trigger ends the moment will be suppressed with the rest of the job
[2015-09-25 16:20:08] <Ziolang> Now the reason I mention it, I'll use Bourne again.
[2015-09-25 16:21:48] <Ziolang> He "glitched" when he felt the need to put the gun on that black guy's head instead of just shooting him as soon as he saw him. /Then/ he saw the kids /while/ he glitched which slightly furthered the blip in the trigger.
[2015-09-25 16:22:03] <Keileon> I need to watch that movie again
[2015-09-25 16:22:38] <Ziolang> This would be a scenario of a glitch series where one could potentially be pulled out of the trigger
[2015-09-25 16:23:14] <Ziolang> It would still be highly unlikely, but this is the kind of thing that would cause it

[Keileon]

Character Chatter

[04:48:10] Keileon http://manaverse.zejroleplaying.org/inde..._Ustream_2
[04:48:14] Keileon I did Wiki things
[04:48:54] Keileon (mildly relevant to you zio)
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[04:56:10] Ziolang eheh, that relation description with Zio
[04:57:43] Keileon yep
[04:58:02] Keileon I actually really like writing this kind of thing for Jas
[04:58:03] Keileon e
[04:58:17] Keileon There's a lot going on beneath the surface I don't really show IC
[05:00:44] Ziolang I should probably do wiki things...
[05:00:58] Keileon This kind of thing in particular:
[05:01:00] Keileon "Even after other matters arise in the second season that are more important, Jason harbors a fierce anger towards Giga. However, to say that Jason actively hates his former Second-in-Command is not entirely accurate- rather, he feels a powerful sense of betrayal and distrust, as his loyal nature does not handle well the idea that a trusted friend could turn on him. "
[05:01:59] Keileon In that sense Jason's feelings towards Giga are less "i hate you" and more "why?"
[05:03:12] Keileon ... It might actually be a good thing that Ziolang and Jason weren't particularly close
[05:03:23] Ziolang Yeah...
[05:03:48] Keileon Because Jason's reaction basically scales to how badly he feels the person betrayed his trust
[05:04:11] Ziolang But I do miss their... weird friendship
[05:04:14] Keileon ^
[05:04:57] Keileon I do wonder what Zio feels towards Jason at this point in the canon
[05:05:14] Keileon All his page describes is during his time in CoU
[05:06:04] Ziolang Yeah I should like
[05:06:06] Ziolang Do that
[05:07:12] Keileon ... Though
[05:07:19] Keileon Rereading the latest log
[05:07:53] Keileon When Giga teleported Mimring away everyone kind of made Jason's reaction seem unwarranted
[05:08:14] Keileon But like... with what was happening, and what Giga did in the first season, it... really wasn't?
[05:20:17] Ziolang I kinda noticed that as well; how it just kinda went over everyone's heads
[05:20:42] Ziolang You know... I don't overly remember how Zio/Starly started
[05:21:18] Keileon Because Starly was causing trouble with Mimring and Jason was threatening Dracomancy and Zio didn't like that
[05:22:53] Keileon But yeah like. Giga kidnapped one of Jason's dragons, crippled a second, and outright /killed/ a third in cold blood, and everyone expects Jason to stand idly by when Giga teleports Jason's Familiar and best friend away?
[05:24:48] Ziolang Alright, updated relationship section
[05:25:04] Keileon yey
[05:25:06] Ziolang Not perfect but eh
[05:25:27] Ziolang Didn't update Shadow and still haven't even touched Emma yet
[05:25:37] Ziolang Giga is just lol
[05:26:50] Keileon I like how outsiders to dracomancy see it as a master/servant, mind control thing when it's really more empathic in nature
[05:27:38] Ziolang Zio's always been a free spirit and refuses to ally himself to any Demon clan; he's a bit... finicky when it comes to these things.
[05:27:40] Keileon Also poor Starlight
[05:27:47] Keileon He still vaguely likes Zio
[05:27:51] Ziolang for
[05:27:54] Ziolang w/e reason
[05:28:14] Keileon It's a matter of respect. I think.
[05:28:25] Ziolang I still don't really understand Zio's relationship with Starly
[05:28:35] Keileon ^
[05:28:42] Ziolang Like
[05:28:44] Ziolang At all
[05:28:48] Keileon That is a /weird/ pseudo-friendship
[05:28:57] Ziolang It's liek
[05:29:37] Ziolang "You're a thing." "Ya u 2." *two live in the same bit of forest*
[05:29:48] Keileon LOL
[05:29:57] Keileon You forgot something
[05:30:04] Ziolang here it comes
[05:30:12] Keileon "o get offa my house" "no" "welp"
[05:30:49] Ziolang "i know, he can no my house if it burned" *torches shack* "heheh, I win"
[05:30:56] Keileon LOL
[05:32:00] Ziolang "The heck are you doing?" "ohi emma i burn house so starly no sit on it" "but then how u live in house?" "..."
[05:32:46] Ziolang I swear that's as far as I can see into that entire thing
[05:32:53] Keileon Hah
[05:33:04] Ziolang I know Ziio so well that I don't know him at all
[05:33:08] Ziolang *Zio
[05:36:22] Keileon Why is it 5:30am
[05:36:29] Keileon I have done no cleaning
[05:37:08] Ziolang >5:30
[05:37:10] Ziolang crap
[05:37:16] Ziolang I have done no sleeping
[05:39:40] Keileon tfw scenes are playing through your mind and you can't predict what direction they're going even when you're the one imagining it
[05:39:50] Keileon I assume you get those, Zio
[05:41:21] Ziolang pls
[05:41:29] Keileon I just had one that basically ended with Jason going like "You know what? You win. I quit. I'm not the goddamn leader anymore."
[05:41:29] Ziolang I'm convinced Zio is imagining /me/
[05:48:56] Keileon is it bad that I'm legit worried about Jason when I'm the one doing this to him lol
[05:49:33] Ziolang lol
[05:50:07] Ziolang I'm so terrified
[05:50:56] Ziolang I'm 72% sure someone dies in FA
[05:51:42] Keileon Care to voice your thoughts or are you wanting to keep things hidden?
[05:56:08] Ziolang Well unfortunately
[05:56:20] Ziolang Zio's the only one on my list of people I know that could be the one that dies
[05:56:56] Keileon Well then.
[05:57:05] Ziolang Cause idek what the target even is
[06:01:05] Keileon My main concern with Jason is like
[06:02:11] Keileon His mood and demeanor can rapidly switch between absolute exhaustion, mild depression, and "killkillkillkillkill" at the drop of a hat
[06:03:19] Keileon Well, I guess there's an anger setting before the "kill everything" setting
[06:03:38] Keileon ... He's become a very volatile character.
[06:04:51] Ziolang that last mode tho
[06:04:58] Ziolang Ultimate bipolar
[06:05:00] Keileon ^
[06:05:15] Keileon I think people forget
[06:05:52] Keileon That underneath his sapience and human appearance, he /is/ a predatory, wild animal, and an aggressive species of dragon at that
[06:07:16] Keileon Poke a dragon with a stick too hard and it'll bite your entire arm off
[06:07:23] Keileon If it doesn't bite you in half
[06:08:02] Keileon Jason works the same way, except life is poking him with sticks from all directions at all times
[06:10:17] Ziolang And it's a little trickery to bite life's arms off
[06:11:32] Keileon There are soooooooo many things that can go wrong with Jase by the end of the canon
[06:11:42] Keileon And not all of them end with him alive
[06:11:53] Ziolang Alter timeline Law of Ultimate Suffering
[06:12:23] Keileon I'm not exaggerating when I say I can easily see him attempting suicide later down the line
[06:12:49] Ziolang liek
[06:13:35] Ziolang This is what happens when you put a 16-year-old volatile pseudo-dragon at the head of a society of self-driven uber plebs
[06:14:09] Keileon And then have multiple people betray him while a spy is actively messing with his emotions
[06:14:26] Keileon Although yeah, his less-than-stable nature doomed him to this from the start
[06:15:35] Ziolang I suppose it doesn't help that Zio doesn't even see anything he's done as betrayal
[06:15:42] Keileon It doesn't
[06:16:16] Ziolang Stupid Demon doesn't realize that open consent is not required to make friends and construct loyalties
[06:16:25] Keileon Jason stop making scenes play through my head
[06:16:33] Keileon So like
[06:16:45] Ziolang Cultural barriers too strong
[06:16:52] Keileon I just had a mental image of Jason /yelling at Espira/ in the current scene
[06:17:00] Ziolang good plan
[06:17:12] Ziolang How'd that go for Zio?
[06:17:16] Ziolang Not good
[06:17:56] Ziolang Although when it comes to envisioning what will happen in FA
[06:18:00] Ziolang There is a recurring image
[06:18:05] Keileon Going like "How is Giga NOT a threat? He /killed/ Stormshaper! He /crippled/ Mimring! It's easy for you to say there are more important matters at hand, but, *points at Shadow* what would you do if Giga killed /him/?"
[06:18:34] Keileon The scary thing?
[06:18:38] Keileon He has a point.
[06:18:43] Ziolang lol...!
[06:19:39] Ziolang To which Espira would instantly respond with "He didn't." leaving Kuda to become even more furious
[06:19:59] Keileon Probably.
[06:20:12] Ziolang Ah... good times
[06:20:21] Ziolang What could possibly go wrong?
[06:21:29] Ziolang Man, I just want CoU to progress already T-T
[06:21:32] Keileon ^
[06:21:44] Keileon Jason's on the verge of breaking and I'm scared
[06:22:00] Ziolang It's so frustrating not knowing what's going to happen
[06:22:27] Keileon For me I know /what/ Jason will do, just not /when/
[06:22:54] Ziolang FA will affect my entire involvement with CoU canon to the core and I'm just liek "just do it already I can take it >_<"
[06:23:06] Keileon He's a vase teetering at the edge of a table during an earthquake, and all I can do is watch helplessly wondering when it will fall
[06:23:36] Ziolang We take such good care of our characters...!
[06:23:42] Keileon Yep.
[06:23:47] Keileon I have an image for that...
[06:24:07] Keileon http://stampormole.deviantart.com/art/Ch...e-85017122
[06:24:19] Ziolang Zio is the vase that repeatedly leans over the edge just to see how far he can go before he falls
[06:24:38] Keileon LOL
[06:25:23] Ziolang ... lol vase analogies
[06:25:33] Keileon http://marmadukeovermind.deviantart.com/...-183451444
[06:26:05] Ziolang Hah, except I'd have them dead before they can find me~
[06:26:16] Ziolang Because I treat them so well
[06:28:20] Keileon Jason doesn't escape suffering no matter the timeline unfortunately
[06:28:35] Keileon It kind of goes Drei > Prime >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Alter
[06:28:50] Ziolang >show taking place in 2013 uses word "Game Boy"
[06:28:58] Ziolang >object is obviously a PSP
[06:29:03] Keileon And that is considering that Drei may or may not involve him being captive
[06:29:04] Keileon lol
[06:29:36] Ziolang Prime timeline Zio has a lot to live for
[06:29:46] Ziolang Alter timeline Zio /had/ a lot to live for
[06:30:08] Ziolang there is no drei so lol
[06:30:15] Keileon Alter Jason is going to be dealing with issues he can't handle for his entire life
[06:30:44] Keileon Prime Jason lives a LONG time and gets scattered, but very potent bad spots in his lifetime
[06:31:20] Keileon Shiveztel suffers in his early years, but after that it's smooth sailing with the aid of some Careodry ex Machina
[06:31:28] Keileon (not really but the idea stands)
[06:31:51] Ziolang I wonder if there's a prime timeline Destiny out there somewhere
[06:32:17] Ziolang Probably forever a reaper, happily harvesting souls with a cheerful wink
[06:32:31] Keileon Also it's 6:30 am I'm going to get 2.5 hours of sleep
[06:33:01] Keileon Good... morning?
[06:33:06] Ziolang LOL
[06:33:16] Ziolang cya~

[Keileon]

Pendant

[2015-12-17 17:20:58] <Keileon> Oh right I forgot to mention
[2015-12-17 17:21:18] <Keileon> I've told you that the pendant is relevant and important in Drei, right?
[2015-12-17 17:21:35] <Shadow> Yeah
[2015-12-17 17:21:56] <Keileon> The pendant is sentient in the same way that enchanted weapons often are
[2015-12-17 17:22:21] <Shadow> Oh?
[2015-12-17 17:22:24] <Keileon> Mainly, it knows who it belongs to; in Drei, that gets explored in decent detail
[2015-12-17 17:22:57] <Keileon> The pendant itself is tied into his Domain, I just... can't figure out how to expain it
[2015-12-17 17:23:13] <Keileon> But given that he was specifically given it by Rae
[2015-12-17 17:24:08] <Keileon> The best way I can describe it is the pendant can access his Domain and act on its own if required
[2015-12-17 17:24:56] <Keileon> In fact it's been doing this to a very small degree with Jason in both other timelines, poking into his achlympathy to protect him
[2015-12-17 17:26:17] <Keileon> Alter particularly. Jason can't control his achlympathy very well, but when he feels threatened and there's darkness or dark Mana coming at him the pendant steps in
[2015-12-17 17:27:25] <Shadow> I think I get it, it "taps" into his Soul Phantasm
[2015-12-17 17:27:32] <Keileon> Yep
[2015-12-17 17:28:12] <Keileon> Itvcan do this with any of his Soul Phantasms actually, it just prioritizes achlympathy (and, in Drei, whatever comes from the Void Domain)
[2015-12-17 17:28:15] <Keileon> -v
[2015-12-17 17:28:50] <Shadow> Interesting
[2015-12-17 17:29:10] <Keileon> So tl;dr a lot of the reflexive/impulsive cases where Jason uses his powers in self-defense is actually the pendant protecting him
[2015-12-17 17:29:29] <Keileon> Happened with Stormshaper, too, since Jason didn't even know he was a dracomancer
[2015-12-17 17:38:13] <Keileon> I half want to go the Horcrux route with the pendant and say it contains a small part of his soul, which is why it can do what it does
[2015-12-17 17:39:36] <Shadow> lel
[2015-12-17 17:39:53] <Keileon> (I'm not even sure you know what a horcrux is)
[2015-12-17 17:40:09] <Shadow> I do
[2015-12-17 17:40:11] <Keileon> k
[2015-12-17 17:41:17] <Shadow> We seem to have a lot of things with pieces of one's soul, though
[2015-12-17 17:41:28] <Keileon> Do we?
[2015-12-17 17:43:54] <Shadow> ...Right, do we? I seem to remember more instances of this trope, but the only one that comes to mind right now is Shadow
[2015-12-17 17:44:18] <Keileon> Wait am I missing or forgetting something
[2015-12-17 17:44:30] <Keileon> Either way like
[2015-12-17 17:44:45] <Shadow> It's not something he has currently, but the Blue Thing™ is supposed to be like that
[2015-12-17 17:45:08] <Keileon> Maybe Siiensarin and Netavol, but that's a case of the soul- orite- being split into two different beings
[2015-12-17 17:45:27] <Keileon> And Aravera, but Soulseeker has her entire soul, not just a piece
[2015-12-17 17:46:07] <Keileon> That aside, the soul of a dracomancer can rubber-band into the body of a Familiar, but that's still not the same thing

[Keileon]

Experiments

[03:08:32] Keileon Wait a minute.
[03:08:34] Keileon ...
[03:09:33] Keileon We both have important government figures who were involved in experimentation activities to weaponize a modified race that later escaped and wreaked havoc
[03:09:38] Keileon What the /fuck/
[03:10:08] Keileon That is so goddamn specific and we've both been developing our things for literal years
[03:10:15] Shadow L O L
[03:12:12] Keileon I'm just surprised I didn't realize this sooner

[...]

[03:15:40] Shadow Still can't get over the super specific thing though rofl
[03:15:58] Keileon Kyton recognized him because he has a LOT of free rein for a Shapeshifter and was around during that time
[03:16:02] Keileon I KNOW
[03:16:09] Keileon What the hell how does that happen
[03:16:56] Shadow ^
[03:17:15] Keileon Even better, both of our important government figures tried to destroy their creations
[03:17:26] Keileon with lack of success
[03:18:03] Shadow LOL yeah that too
[03:19:37] Keileon This is better than the time we figured out "void" was secretly an acronym
[03:19:49] Shadow That one was great too

[Keileon]

Phasma Mimring

[2015-08-21 03:41:46] <Keileon> His species is Phasma
[2015-08-21 03:42:05] <Zio> wut
[2015-08-21 03:42:08] <Keileon> which is literally the only (non-unique) undead dragon on Euthora
[2015-08-21 03:42:42] <Keileon> Phasma are basically the zombies of the dragon world
[2015-08-21 03:42:54] <Keileon> It's also their version of hell
[2015-08-21 03:43:27] <Zio> oic
[2015-08-21 03:43:42] <Zio> So phasmas in TD2???
[2015-08-21 03:43:57] <Keileon> A dragon's spirit has the chance to get "lost" shortly after death and walk the ine between the worlds of the living and the dead, becoming a mindless, malicious spirit as a Phasma
[2015-08-21 03:44:00] <Keileon> Possibly
[2015-08-21 03:44:04] <Keileon> *ine
[2015-08-21 03:44:07] <Keileon> *LINE
[2015-08-21 03:44:11] <Keileon> L key pls
[2015-08-21 03:44:30] <Zio> i need make an Phasma character for Destiny's familiar =x
[2015-08-21 03:44:38] <Keileon> Phasma feed off of Prana, as we-- lol
[2015-08-21 03:44:44] <Keileon> Two things about that
[2015-08-21 03:44:48] <Keileon> Actually three
[2015-08-21 03:44:53] <Zio> Destiny's a prana character
[2015-08-21 03:45:06] <Keileon> 1. Raierei is Tobias's familiar so family stuff???
[2015-08-21 03:45:23] <Zio> !
[2015-08-21 03:45:25] <Keileon> 2. Phasma are uncontrollable; Tobias's link with Rai literally drives him insane
[2015-08-21 03:45:48] <Zio> >Destiny's already not sane
[2015-08-21 03:46:08] <Keileon> 3. If Destiny had a Phasma it would a) eat her; b) eat everyone else, or c) be an extremely creepy pet akin to trying to keep a pet alligator
[2015-08-21 03:46:26] <Keileon> Possibly all three
[2015-08-21 03:46:31] <Zio> Well if anyone could pull it of- wait...
[2015-08-21 03:46:43] <Keileon> They are /dangerous/ creatures
[2015-08-21 03:46:45] <Zio> Does uh... Mimring die as well?
[2015-08-21 03:47:00] <Keileon> If any animal on Euthora could be considered a monster, it would be the Phasma
[2015-08-21 03:47:04] <Keileon> Eh?
[2015-08-21 03:47:27] <Keileon> ...
[2015-08-21 03:47:28] <Zio> When Kuda dies... dies Mimring?
[2015-08-21 03:47:29] <Keileon> Wait
[2015-08-21 03:47:34] <Zio> *does
[2015-08-21 03:47:35] <Keileon> Are yo-- yep you are
[2015-08-21 03:47:40] <Zio> Exactly
[2015-08-21 03:47:51] <Keileon> Only if the bond is intact when one dies
[2015-08-21 03:47:55] <Zio> >Destiny retrieves Mimring
[2015-08-21 03:48:02] <Zio> as a phasma
[2015-08-21 03:48:04] <Keileon> Jason's the kind of person to sever the link if he knows he's about to die
[2015-08-21 03:48:10] <Zio> And gives it to Tobias
[2015-08-21 03:48:26] <Keileon> No no Raierei's a cmpletely different dragon
[2015-08-21 03:48:48] <Keileon> On the other hand if Destiny kept Phasma!Mimring herself?
[2015-08-21 03:48:49] <Zio> ok then Destiny keeps it for herself =x
[2015-08-21 03:48:52] <Keileon> Yeah
[2015-08-21 03:48:56] <Keileon> I actually like this
[2015-08-21 03:48:58] <Zio> !!!
[2015-08-21 03:49:01] <Keileon> Also fun fact
[2015-08-21 03:49:21] <Keileon> There's a character of mine named Zane who was soft-retconned into season 0
[2015-08-21 03:49:37] <Zio> And as an ex-reaper, she might actually know how to manage one
[2015-08-21 03:49:45] <Keileon> He's the one that dies in Fallen's "place' in CoU2 because >Fallen
[2015-08-21 03:49:54] <Zio> lolfallen
[2015-08-21 03:50:03] <Keileon> And the thing with Zane is he comes back later with a Phasma /form/
[2015-08-21 03:50:06] <Zio> so appropriately named
[2015-08-21 03:50:13] <Keileon> So in other words
[2015-08-21 03:50:29] <Nate> I can confirm Minecraft runs better in W10.
[2015-08-21 03:50:30] <Keileon> While Jason is a divine dragon whose body thinks it's a shapeshifter
[2015-08-21 03:50:50] <Keileon> Zane is the spiritual counterpart, a Shapeshifter whose soul thinks it's a Phasma
[2015-08-21 03:51:04] <Keileon> I have a log about this if you have the time
[2015-08-21 03:51:16] <Zio> PM it
[2015-08-21 03:51:25] <Keileon> ZEJ I assume
[2015-08-21 03:51:31] <Zio> Ya
[2015-08-21 03:51:33] <Keileon> kk
[2015-08-21 03:51:44] <Zio> so current theory
[2015-08-21 03:52:02] <Keileon> The hilarious thing is
[2015-08-21 03:52:15] <Zio> Destiny has Mimring!Phasma and is able to manage it well due to secret reaper skills
[2015-08-21 03:52:18] <Keileon> If Jason's soul wasn't so /damaged/ he would also have the chance to turn
[2015-08-21 03:52:30] <Zio> leading to Tobias getting one
[2015-08-21 03:52:41] <Keileon> Because remember, it's the dragon's version of hell
[2015-08-21 03:52:43] <Keileon> Ah!
[2015-08-21 03:52:45] <Keileon> About that
[2015-08-21 03:53:02] <Zio> But ya idk anything about Toby's phasma
[2015-08-21 03:53:13] <Keileon> Toby MAINLY gets one because he's both a necromancer and dracomancer and thought he could control it
[2015-08-21 03:53:16] <Keileon> (he was wrong)
[2015-08-21 03:53:36] <Zio> Inb4 destiny suggested it
[2015-08-21 03:53:41] <Keileon> Also PM'd finally
[2015-08-21 03:53:45] <Zio> K
[2015-08-21 03:54:19] <Zio> Destiny best parent award
[2015-08-21 03:54:46] <Keileon> I really, really like this idea
[2015-08-21 03:55:19] <Zio> Dev things are fun
[2015-08-21 03:55:19] <Keileon> Phasma also aren't always serpentine like Rai, so Mimring would still resemble himself
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[2015-08-21 03:56:31] <Zio> "c'mere son. This is Mimring, your father's familiar. He's a phasma now. I'mma keep 'em, k? Wanna pet 'em?"
[2015-08-21 03:58:23] <Keileon> I now have the urge to draw Phasma!Mimring
[2015-08-21 03:58:27] <Keileon> Thanks
[2015-08-21 03:58:33] <Zio> Welcome
[2015-08-21 03:58:49] <Zio> >Demonic phasma
[2015-08-21 03:58:53] <Zio> just fyi
[2015-08-21 03:59:18] <Keileon> On that note, this describes both Phasma and Zane fairly well:
[2015-08-21 03:59:29] <Keileon> [04:00:41] Keileon He has a bit of David's attitude, only thrown into the personality of a gangster or something
[2015-08-21 03:59:29] <Keileon> [04:01:55] Keileon now give this guy the ability to transform into a ravenous demon ghost dragon
[2015-08-21 03:59:29] <Keileon> [04:02:56] Shadow 10/10
[2015-08-21 03:59:29] <Keileon> [04:03:48] Keileon ... Yeah, come to think of it, no wonder he got himself eaten by Helix in CoU2...
[2015-08-21 03:59:50] <Zio> heh


[2015-09-08 03:49:48] <Keileon> If jason dies (and Mimring goes with him), Phasma!Mimring might /actively seek out/ Destiny because by that point Jason and Mimring are so entwined spiritually that Mimring's instincts would be overruled by a sense of "I know this person. I trust this person."
[2015-09-08 03:49:58] <Keileon> *spiritually and mentally
[2015-09-08 03:50:50] <Keileon> It would kind of be as if Jason is using Mimring to get back to Destiny
[2015-09-08 03:50:57] <Zio> Oh and that could spark their return
[2015-09-08 03:51:10] <Keileon> Especially because it gets to the point where one's soul flees into the body of the other
[2015-09-08 03:51:36] <Keileon> ie if Jason dies, before Mimring dies his body would temporaarily harbor two souls
[2015-09-08 03:51:39] <Zio> And Destiny has uncanny high levels of prana she'd be like a beacon
[2015-09-08 03:52:25] <Keileon> Yeah


[2015-08-21 14:42:50] <Keileon> It also might depend what Zio meant by familiar, because Destiny definitely isn't a dracomancer and I'm not sure if she would use magic to bind him
[2015-08-21 14:47:36] <Shadow> It really depends on the method, I guess. Dracoimpery on Euthora has a predominantly-empathic nature which is why it's only natural to expect that people aren't just able to handle the minds of something like a Phasma

[Keileon]

Drei Timeline - Voderan Invasion

[23:12:00] Shadow Have we even established how much of an interplanetary "hotspot" Daeridune is?
[23:12:41] Shadow It wouldn't be too farfetched to explain depending on what this implies
[23:14:06] Shadow If anything though you can just make a new N if this is more trouble than it's worth, though I liked the character
[23:15:03] Starr I /think/ he was a prototype Zaiek
[23:16:08] Keileon We already have offworlders on Daeridune, and I think we established the planet was spacefaring
[23:16:38] Keileon Ah, yep
[23:16:52] Keileon SCT Daeova is capable of interplanetary travel
[23:17:23] Keileon So there's that
[23:17:42] Starr ah right its SCT
[23:17:48] Shadow It's not SCT
[23:17:53] Starr oh
[23:17:56] Starr ..then what is it
[23:18:16] Keileon After
[23:18:21] Keileon iirc
[23:18:39] Keileon And not in any of our main timelines afaik
[23:18:53] Shadow Unknown. My guess is that it's in the near or far future from SCT, and the timeline is unknown as well. It could be Drei but it's most likely an entirely different timeline
[23:18:54] Keileon Or at least it's not Prime or Alter. Not sure about Drei.
[23:18:58] Starr yeah i guess he's probably a trader's son, like Zaiek is
[23:19:00] Keileon lel
[23:19:26] Shadow It's definitely neither Prime or Alter, though, so there's that
[23:19:52] Keileon Honestly it /may as well/ be Drei at this point
[23:20:19] Keileon Unless there's a reason to keep it separate from literally everything
[23:21:02] Shadow Tentatively? Maybe. But there's some... circumstances... surrounding AoF and I think it's best I keep the timeline ambiguous before definitely labeling it as Drei
[23:21:15] Keileon Alright
[23:21:32] Starr don't we need cerby here
[23:21:53] Shadow We aren't going to CP lol
[23:22:10] Keileon I will say this in case you're worried about interfering with other things in Drei: I only know SCT-era Shiveztel. After that is up to circumstances. Shiveztel forges his own fate.
[23:22:39] Keileon Cerberus still there?
[23:23:06] Shadow Oh no it's not about interfering with other things, it's actually the other way around. Developments could easily make AoF unfeasible to Drei
[23:23:15] Keileon Ah
[23:24:30] Ziolang lolDrei
[23:24:43] Ziolang I try not to think about that because >Kivorde-less Deveron
[23:24:45] Keileon What are you lol'ing at
[23:24:57] Keileon Hey man we had developments for that
[23:25:15] Ziolang Yeah, they'd just still be running around nuking planets
[23:25:18] Ziolang Space pirates
[23:25:22] Starr Drei doesn't exist in DR
[23:25:27] Keileon Plus Deveron/Euthora alliance
[23:25:43] Keileon starr it'd be the other way around
[23:25:47] Ziolang More of a "we won't nuke you if you watch our dergons"
[23:25:54] Starr Okay, other way around
[23:26:00] Keileon Also >space pirates
[23:26:07] Keileon >Sarkiri are also space pirates
[23:26:15] Starr >CrazE has space pirates
[23:26:17] Keileon That would be fun
[23:26:18] Ziolang Well, maybe more like space nazis?
[23:26:24] Keileon Craz had space police
[23:26:25] Starr You mean Grenians
[23:26:33] Starr No crazE has space pirates too
[23:26:38] Starr I swear to zhenn
[23:26:41] Starr shadow can vouch
[23:26:45] Shadow He does
[23:26:47] Starr see
[23:26:49] Keileon of course he does
[23:26:53] Keileon Well, still
[23:26:58] Starr Crysian-level space pirates
[23:27:02] Keileon We can't expect-- LOL
[23:27:12] LordXGigaX sighs
[23:27:20] Keileon --expect the entirety of the spacefaring manaverse to be good
[23:27:45] Starr I could never drum up anything for Drei
[23:27:48] Keileon Sarkiri actively kidnap/kill people, Vodera take over planets, Craz does whatever the fuck
[23:27:51] Starr not much of a point, really
[23:27:58] LordXGigaX I just don't care
[23:28:04] Ziolang Also that's a lot of time for Vodera to be running around nuking worlds... they'd probably have some kind of empire thing by now
[23:28:11] Starr so I just assume all my characters never...suffer in Drei, and lead normal lives.
[23:28:21] Keileon Zio do you realize how awesome thaat sounds
[23:28:25] Keileon *that
[23:28:31] Keileon Also I just remembered
[23:28:33] Ziolang ... yes.
[23:28:41] Ziolang This is why I avoid Drei
[23:28:44] Keileon Euthora, Ceskion, and Ferona are all in the same star system
[23:28:47] Starr that means Vale/Emri have normal lives
[23:28:51] Ziolang Because I'd have to dev an /EMPIRE/
[23:28:53] Starr I'm happy
[23:29:01] Starr Hey crayon its not so hard
[23:29:05] Keileon Which means if Deveron has contact with Euthora, they'd run into the other two
[23:29:10] Starr 80% is just politics
[23:29:14] Keileon You don't have to dev the entire empire lol
[23:29:15] Ziolang Also if- ^
[23:29:17] Ziolang er
[23:29:21] Ziolang @Kuda
[23:29:45] Keileon Ceskion's a very small world but I kind of think the Sarkiri would put up a hell of a fight
[23:29:57] Ziolang Granted a Vodera "empire" would just mean "planets with only Demons on it"
[23:30:16] Keileon either that or the sarkiri are hired like mercs to avoid said fight
[23:30:23] Ziolang Of course I'd have to figure out what happened to Hira-...
[23:30:25] Ziolang ...
[23:30:26] Ziolang ...
[23:30:28] Ziolang uh oh
[23:30:31] Keileon ????
[23:30:55] Ziolang What if instead of Hirasu "melting" into Vorpal... He /mastered/ it.
[23:31:05] Ziolang He'd be a literal deity
[23:31:09] Keileon Niiice
[23:31:15] Ziolang crap
[23:31:46] Ziolang That would... imply that he had 100% mastered impery over the entire aether of Vorpal
[23:32:17] Keileon And what would that imply?
[23:32:25] Ziolang And if planets get vorpalized... he'd basically have absolute control
[23:32:36] Ziolang I'm... aaaaa how does this even
[23:33:06] Ziolang shadow help Hirasu's trying to take over the manaverse
[23:33:15] Shadow Good
[23:33:16] Starr why are all demons mean
[23:33:18] Keileon ... Actually
[23:33:29] Keileon If he really wants to control the Manaverse
[23:33:32] fryborg [Jake] I, for one, welcome our new Vodera overlords
[23:33:38] Starr eyyy eeb
[23:33:39] Ziolang loleeb
[23:33:42] Keileon The reach that Ceskion and Ferona have would be /invaluable/
[23:33:45] Starr when did you get here
[23:33:56] Ziolang Of course this would beg the question
[23:34:02] Ziolang Of what Hirasu's motivation is
[23:34:11] Starr demon motivations
[23:34:12] Keileon Power corrupts~
[23:34:19] Shadow Create the Vorpalverse
[23:34:20] fryborg [Jake] I'd say I've been watching for the past... 10ish minutes, I guess
[23:34:22] Starr LMAO
[23:34:42] Ziolang >Vorpalverse
[23:35:02] Ziolang Isn't that literally just what I had before I grafted Deveron into the manaverse?
[23:35:11] Keileon We've come full circle
[23:35:16] Ziolang welp
[23:35:20] Ziolang Thank you, Drei
[23:35:21] Shadow Ouroboros must eat itself
[23:35:27] Ziolang Your destiny is to become the Vorpalverse
[23:35:28] Starr i like my worlds to be mana/eon please thanks
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[23:35:50] Keileon Starr why do you care it's Drei
[23:36:05] Shadow At the rate this is going Drei is going to be the doomed timeline
[23:36:06] Starr what if I do end up figuring out what i want to do on drei
[23:36:23] Keileon then you wll do so after submitting to your vodera overlords
[23:36:36] Starr no
[23:36:42] Keileon Or develop a defense
[23:36:47] Shadow That would make interesting conflict with the plot threads they've laid down, no?
[23:36:57] fryborg [Jake] What would happen to a Manacle if its planet were vorpalized?
[23:37:07] Shadow Asking the questions
[23:37:09] Keileon If you do figure it out? React to the situation.
[23:37:16] Starr It wouldn't connect with the others because Vorpal =/= Mana I'm guessing
[23:37:32] Keileon Wasn't Vorpal a form of Mana though?
[23:37:34] Shadow Vorpal IS LITERALLY repurposed Mana
[23:37:37] Keileon yeah
[23:37:45] Starr Then idk
[23:37:48] Ziolang yeah
[23:37:50] Shadow Very modified, reegineered Mana
[23:37:57] Shadow reengineered*
[23:37:57] Ziolang It's like... solid mana?
[23:38:12] Keileon Now I'm vaguely wondering
[23:38:13] Ziolang Aetheric matter
[23:38:15] Ziolang idek
[23:38:30] Ziolang It's very potent
[23:38:30] Keileon Shadow, do you happen to know if Phantasia would go the route of Prime or Alter in Drei?
[23:38:51] Ziolang >mfw Zio might not even exist in Drei
[23:38:59] Starr Good, Emma keeps her ability to walk
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[23:39:17] Ziolang She'll just be subject to an entire Demon empire
[23:39:31] Starr ...so
[23:39:34] Shadow I'm guessing it'd be like Alter
[23:39:44] Starr she's just gonna lose it to some other demon anyway LMAO
[23:39:46] Shadow No way it's going like Prime without Shadow there
[23:40:10] Keileon Wait Shadow's not there in Drei?
[23:40:17] Starr Grenian+Syel empire combo would be a hell of a good defense
[23:40:28] Shadow ... did you forget the entire precept of Shadow's route in Drei?
[23:40:32] Ziolang Tho alter has to deal with an aetheric eldritch abomination so
[23:40:35] Starr he goes to crysia
[23:40:36] Starr iirc
[23:40:36] Keileon I remember vague bits
[23:40:42] Shadow Yes, Starr got it
[23:40:44] Keileon I didn't remember if he left the planet
[23:40:52] Starr he gets to settle with his second waifu
[23:40:58] Shadow LOL
[23:41:00] Keileon alright then
[23:41:12] Keileon Now, without spoiling anything
[23:41:26] fryborg [Jake] Here's hoping that, if Shadow goes all that way for a waifu, he doesn't get
[23:41:26] Keileon Would the Alter route go /any/ different if the planet was Vorpalized
[23:41:29] fryborg [Jake] hung out to
[23:41:30] fryborg [Jake] Drei
[23:41:40] Starr LOL
[23:41:51] Ziolang >mfw the entirety of Drei is becoming vorpalized
[23:42:02] Keileon The /only/ reason I ask is because I know FM has to do with Malice
[23:42:09] Starr Drei sucks now thanks crayon pls youre killing me
[23:42:11] fryborg [Jake] Vorpalized Phantasia. Interesting
[23:42:15] Shadow Yes, a lot different. So different that I don't even want to think of the implications
[23:42:22] Ziolang ^
[23:42:43] Keileon >mfw I'm getting people who didn't want to think about Drei to think about Drei
[23:42:46] Shadow So we'll leave that aside until I can actually reveal what's happening behind the scenes (Shadow FM)
[23:42:52] Keileon shadow fm
[23:43:45] Starr I'm only thinking about Drei now because it scares me now
[23:43:48] Starr redundancy
[23:44:02] Keileon The entirety of the Manaverse doesn't have to be Vorpalized
[23:44:20] Keileon ie I feel like the Vindrite pantheon would actively keep the Vodera away
[23:44:24] Ziolang I highly doubt one planet is going to take the entire verse so
[23:44:30] Starr Zhenn just nukes everyone to hell
[23:44:37] Keileon No I mean
[23:44:47] Starr "Ew vorpal touched my worlds. Lets nuke my worlds."
[23:44:50] Keileon Demon Empire vs nonvorpal planets
[23:45:15] Keileon I'm pretty sure we're slowly turning Drei into magic star wars
[23:45:17] Starr Well, in a plot sense if I were to DR in Drei, I wouldn't have much space to do plots without having it involve them just constantly fighting off demons
[23:45:21] Keileon or star trek
[23:45:22] Starr >Star wars
[23:45:36] Starr 1-3 or 4-6
[23:45:37] Ziolang The plot of Drei is an MMO
[23:45:41] fryborg [Jake] Hirasu Starkiller
[23:45:42] Keileon LOL
[23:45:46] Ziolang Which side will you join?
[23:45:47] Shadow Consider the fact that Hirasu would be literally a god-tier character, Vodera could /actually fight off deities/, in theory
[23:45:55] Keileon Yes
[23:46:05] Ziolang Utilizing a form of mana that's /more/ potent
[23:46:42] Keileon Of course, we might see more planets pulling a Rinul
[23:46:48] Starr exploding?
[23:46:54] Keileon And by that I mean in both senses
[23:46:59] Ziolang Basically, in theory, Hirasu could probably take on most Deities one-on-one. So worlds with pantheons he'd probably "save for later"
[23:47:02] Keileon Dimension bubbles and/or eploding
[23:47:12] Keileon *exploding
[23:47:13] Starr that sounded a lot like crazE
[23:47:58] Shadow Damn son, Drei took a very interesting turn all of a sudden
[23:48:05] Shadow Blame latenight dev
[23:48:38] Keileon If this happens I see Euthora having a weird alliance with Deveron because dergs, Ceskion attempting to ally while keeping its non-Vorpal status, and Vindrgard actively fighting the Vodera off
[23:49:06] Starr Mantua eons itself outta there
[23:49:21] Ziolang This is like... Manaverse-wide war
[23:49:23] Keileon Would be a good way to have Vindrite dragons do something other than destroy humanity every millennium
[23:49:30] Keileon ... especially...
[23:49:39] Starr that's all I could pretty much call in this supposed situation
[23:49:44] Keileon Hey, how much of this would take place in actual /space/?
[23:49:46] Ziolang Because Vodera would have been doing this for /millennia/ by SCT
[23:50:39] Keileon Because Vindrgard has /also/ been perfecting life for millennia at SCT, and Draco Contriventus don't need air to survive
[23:50:57] Starr >Space dergs
[23:51:01] Ziolang Well Vodera use dimensional shenanigans to conceal Deveron and likely startered doing the same for worlds they conquer
[23:51:04] Keileon Vindrgard, even being isolated in Prime and Alter, would be at the forefront of the fight in Drei
[23:51:25] Starr Wouldn't this mean Crysia is basically fucked in this timeline?
[23:51:29] Keileon good
[23:51:34] Starr because >Over reliant on mana
[23:51:40] Ziolang Not necessarily
[23:51:43] Starr And Greniou not because >Not enough mana
[23:51:54] Keileon How would the fight /go/ anyway?
[23:51:59] Keileon Like, the actual battles
[23:52:01] Ziolang Let's see
[23:52:10] Starr gundams with swords
[23:52:20] Starr w-..why am I even entertaining that thought no
[23:52:21] Keileon I doubt that the Vodera can vorpalize an entire planet instantly right?
[23:52:29] Ziolang Well by SCT planets would be aware of the Voderan "Empire" by now and how they operate
[23:52:47] Keileon Wait this isn't Star Wars
[23:52:51] Keileon This is fucking Spore
[23:52:55] Ziolang So I imagine there'd be dimensional fail-safes to keep the Vodera from just... materializing and sweeping them away
[23:53:16] Ziolang Vorpalization is very rapid
[23:53:31] Keileon Like this is literally Spore
[23:53:55] Ziolang I've never played Spore
[23:54:02] Shadow <Starr> Wouldn't this mean Crysia is basically fucked in this timeline? --- Probably, probably not. Just because you present a logical counter to something doesn't mean the other party will just stand there and take it
[23:54:14] Shadow Consider the fact that other worlds could develop some form of counterplay
[23:54:26] Starr I mean, they'll be replacing their /primary source of function/
[23:54:47] Starr If anything, if Crysia is in danger then expect like 25% of the Leeg of Faggots to show up at some point
[23:55:00] Keileon Vodera: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Grox
[23:55:17] Keileon Shadow
[23:55:31] Keileon "probably, probably not" is condradictory
[23:55:32] Starr sounds about right
[23:55:41] Keileon "maybe, maybe not" is what you mean :V
[23:56:24] fryborg [Jake] lol technicalities
[23:56:46] Shadow I mean, "replacing their primary source of function" is pretty much true for 90% of the Manaverse worlds. And once again, just because you have water and the enemy has fire doesn't mean you automatically win
[23:56:57] Ziolang ^
[23:57:03] Starr if you're me then it does *shot*
[23:57:19] Starr Nooow a question that's probably answered
[23:57:35] Starr so do the people in mana-converted-vorpal worlds...die because of the conversion? Or
[23:57:43] Ziolang As Vorpal is [very crudely put] essentially just more potent Mana, some worlds probably wouldn't have a problem adapting
[23:57:57] Ziolang They can
[23:58:01] Starr Ah
[23:58:08] Keileon ... In fact
[23:58:10] Ziolang Some do, most live
[23:58:22] Starr So they just turn into vorpal people?
[23:58:24] Ziolang It mostly just overloads the mana circuits for a long time
[23:58:28] Shadow They can die, but if they're /also/ converted into Vorpal entities then they'll adapt to Vorpal
[23:58:45] Keileon Let's throw both Euthoran and Vindrite dragons into the mix. One has scales that very easily absorb and retain Mana, the other actively eats Mana
[23:58:47] Starr Dunno if Vodera bother with converting the people
[23:58:57] Keileon What happens when they only have access to Vorpal?
[23:58:58] Ziolang They do
[23:59:09] Starr >tfw Saezer metal will lose its purpose
[23:59:11] Ziolang Vorpal is a form of mana, they'd be fine
[23:59:14] Starr there goes Greniou's business
[23:59:31] Keileon So Vindrite dragons may wel be one of the best weapons against the Vodera
[23:59:35] Keileon *well
[23:59:44] Shadow I don't think it's a matter of "wanting to convert something". You can't order a bomb to just destroy the environment
[23:59:52] Ziolang ^
[23:59:55] Shadow Similarly, Vorpalization just... happens.
[23:59:58] Ziolang It vorpalizes /everything/
[00:00:03] Starr I'm just....imagining a vorpal Starrcast
[00:00:15] Starr Vorpal Starr with...Eon...I guess?
[00:00:22] Starr I mean without eon the sky serpent race are basically worms, so
[00:00:27] Keileon tbf they probably wouldn't be any different aside from Aether
[00:00:28] Starr idk how that would go
[00:00:33] Shadow ^
[00:00:36] Ziolang The major reason why people don't auto-adapt to Vorpal is because Vorpal is synced to Degol
[00:01:20] Starr But then again, for me it wouldn't matter because they would all lead normal lives, so no combat specs to worry about
[00:01:24] Ziolang Vodera are used to how Vorpal works and how to command it. They subconsciously use Degol.
[00:01:38] Keileon How would Deveron interact with its "allies" then? Teach Euthorans Degol? I mean sound-wise it's not too different from Drakine
[00:01:47] Ziolang Vorpalizing would be like revoking a society's language and replacing it with an entirely new one
[00:02:01] Shadow It's not just about teaching
[00:02:04] Ziolang It's still a language
[00:02:09] Ziolang They're just not familiar
[00:02:12] Shadow There's a purely mental component involved with the activation of magic
[00:02:20] Shadow So they have to get used to /that/ as well
[00:02:24] Ziolang Yeah
[00:02:33] Shadow It's like suddenly learning that 1 + 1 = 3
[00:02:37] Ziolang ^
[00:02:40] Shadow And it screws up /everything/
[00:02:49] fryborg [Guard Dog of Hades] In reference to the highlights for AoF a while ago (sorry, was making food) if we reboot it I probably wouldn't participate-- at least not as a main character
[00:03:04] Starr rip cerbs
[00:03:07] LordXGigaX oh so 3 + 3 = 19
[00:03:09] Shadow Aw, why?
[00:03:51] Ziolang [lol itd be like taking C++ away from a bunch of programmers and making them only able to use Java]
[00:04:02] Shadow [lmao programming jokes]
[00:04:27] Starr >programing jokes
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[00:04:53] Shadow she couldn't take it
[00:05:20] Keileon prolly ipod
[00:05:26] Ziolang And actually it's """"easier"""" to use Vorpal than mana. You can learn spoken "incantations" or "presets" and perform magic without fully understanding the mechanics behind it
[00:05:46] fryborg [Guard Dog of Hades] I'm just not that interested in CPing, and it doesn't feel like a good time for me, either. My willingness could easily change with time, but I don't see myself taking part if it starts up in the near future
[00:05:49] Starr|Ipod iPod yeah
[00:05:56] Ziolang Just as long as you're invoking the meanings of the words and attaching them to your mental desired outcome
[00:07:01] Keileon Sooooo basically Eragon magic
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[00:07:52] Starr|Ipod No blendy don't quit too
[00:08:19] Ziolang kinda
[00:08:58] Keileon Also hm
[00:09:18] Keileon This would actually give reason behind Vindrgard's attempt to perfect humanity
[00:09:40] Keileon A sort of "we've been preparing for something like this, now it's time to act on it"
[00:10:31] Ziolang I will say though
[00:10:50] Ziolang The battle against Vindrgard would've happened around the same time as Euthora
[00:11:00] Ziolang So we would need to know how long ago that was
[00:11:10] Keileon Wait why would it have been?
[00:11:39] Keileon It's just Ceskion/Euthora/Ferona in the same system. Vindrgard is faaaaar away.
[00:13:31] Ziolang oh ok
[00:16:40] Keileon This dev though
[00:17:11] Ziolang I think we should forget it ever happened
[00:17:15] Ziolang Set Drei down
[00:17:18] Keileon I love how Drei suddenly got very interesting
[00:17:23] Ziolang And back away reeeeeaaal sloooowwwly
[00:17:27] Keileon no
[00:18:04] Keileon Do you fear what you've created, Zio
[00:18:20] Ziolang The problem isn't that I fear it
[00:18:24] Ziolang But that I welcome it
[00:18:26] Ziolang T-T
[00:18:37] Keileon Embrace the dev, Zio
[00:19:01] Keileon You control what is very probably the ost powerful race n the Drei timeline
[00:19:06] Keileon *most
[00:19:15] Keileon . . .
[00:19:33] Keileon Shadow, what would Outside Observer Shadow do with all this happening?
[00:19:46] Shadow No idea
[00:19:55] Shadow I don't even know how his route actually /goes/
[00:20:07] Shadow He might not even be an Outside Observer
[00:20:20] Keileon Let's assume based on the other timelines: would he get involved? Run? Fight? Submit?
[00:20:56] Keileon For that matter I'm wondering if the /hierarchs/ would get involved
[00:22:26] Shadow Depends on the approach of the Vodera, I guess. It's most likely going to be "submit and die or fight and die" so probably just... run given the sheer scale of all of this. Not much he can do there.
[00:22:26] Ziolang >inb4 world vorpalized before Shadow is even A Thing
[00:22:37] Shadow However, if he has his Reality Marble.
[00:22:42] Shadow Then everything changes
[00:22:46] Keileon Oh???????
[00:22:48] fryborg [Jake] Generally my understanding is that it wouldn't be impactful enough on the scale of preserving reality that the Hierarchs would not even get involved at all
[00:23:18] fryborg [Jake] It's confined to a single timeline, so it's considered the "natural progression" of things. No need for the Hierarchs to obliterate or otherwise modify the timeline
[00:23:56] Shadow Because with his RM then he, by definition, has a chance of beating Hirasu
[00:24:22] Keileon He'd probably have to find Hirasu first
[00:24:29] Shadow Yes
[00:24:52] Keileon Also I'm loving how this is basically becoming Vodera empire vs some unnamed resistance force
[00:25:01] Keileon Because resisting by yoursef will get you killed
[00:25:07] Keileon *yourself
[00:25:48] Shadow And Eebit's just about right about Hierarchs, though there'd be some heavy debates about the subject. Whether it's even okay to let Mana be repurposed or just do the usual "watch the developments" approach and then choose a course of action
[00:25:55] Keileon Ah
[00:26:06] Shadow So there /might/ be some Hierarch involvement, but it wouldn't be a large-scale thing
[00:27:25] Keileon I can imagine if Shadow has his RM in Drei Vindrgard may just try to contact him and go "come over here, we can help you, you'll get yourself killed if you do this alone anyway"
[00:27:47] Keileon Which they wouldn't do in Prime or Alter unless something like /this/ was happening
[00:29:01] Ziolang Also worth noting is that due to Vorpal's nature and being synced to Degol, some Vodera could command the aether at a level not much lower than Hirasu methinks
[00:29:22] Keileon So basically the Vodera become their own gods
[00:29:29] Shadow Like I said, I don't really know about his route in Drei and maybe he doesn't even unlock his full potential there so his route is just ?????? at the moment
[00:30:00] Ziolang Potentially; it would be incredibly difficult and require extreme mental/physical/emotional/spiritual training
[00:30:27] Keileon It just reminds me of a quote I once attributed to the surviving Diclonii
[00:30:33] Keileon "we are our own gods"
[00:31:07] Ziolang And I imagine "finding Hirasu" wouldn't be too hard
[00:31:16] Ziolang Cause he'd probably be at the frontlines =x
[00:31:41] Keileon But that'd mean he'd also be surrounded by his troops
[00:31:43] Ziolang I mean, he is a Vodera after all.
[00:31:49] Ziolang His best troops
[00:31:53] Ziolang The nigh-god troops
[00:32:02] Starr|Ipod You sound like craze now
[00:32:09] Shadow Then yeah, in that hypothetical scenario Shadow would quite literally be the trump card. He'd just need a way to get Hirasu in the marble alone
[00:32:14] Keileon RM or not, I'm not sure Shadow could take down ffty high-tier Voderaa, multiple which may be godlike, by himself
[00:32:22] Ziolang Well
[00:32:26] Keileon *fifty
[00:32:37] Ziolang Actually Hirasu would probably have his best commanding their own invasion forces
[00:32:39] Keileon *Vodera
[00:32:54] Ziolang So there's that
[00:33:14] Ziolang Aaaa I don't like playing such high-power characters =<
[00:33:26] Starr|Ipod Why not?
[00:33:29] Ziolang dev y u do dis to me?
[00:33:33] Starr|Ipod Id kill to play some
[00:33:37] Keileon and yet, what happens to zio in prime
[00:33:42] Ziolang He dies
[00:33:46] Ziolang so
[00:33:50] Keileon I thought that was Alter
[00:33:50] Shadow Because absolute power is boring
[00:33:52] Starr|Ipod I thought that was alter
[00:33:53] Keileon w/e
[00:33:56] Keileon LOL
[00:33:57] Starr|Ipod Oh
[00:34:04] Keileon Starr I thought I accidentally doubled
[00:34:04] Ziolang Actually he lives in Alter
[00:34:07] Starr|Ipod Yeah, we thought that was alter
[00:34:09] Starr|Ipod What
[00:34:10] Starr|Ipod Lmao
[00:34:21] Ziolang /Deveron/ dies in Alter and lives in Prime
[00:34:26] Ziolang The opposite is true for Zio
[00:34:26] Keileon o
[00:34:36] Ziolang Zio dies fixing Deveron in Prime
[00:34:38] Keileon Okay well
[00:34:43] Ziolang He lives to see it collapse in Alter
[00:34:46] Starr|Ipod Speaking of, what if DR existed in this drei and Emma does have a demon ship come true there
[00:34:47] Keileon I think this rules out AoF being in Drei
[00:34:59] Keileon because S has bigger things to concern himself with
[00:35:02] Starr|Ipod Just with some other demon
[00:35:06] Starr|Ipod Let's call him Bob
[00:35:35] Ziolang I could always move Vordera empire to its own timeline
[00:35:52] Starr|Ipod Demon Hisao
[00:35:57] Ziolang Cause otherwise it's the /epicenter/ of Drei
[00:35:59] Starr|Ipod Alright I think I've had enough milk
[00:36:08] Ziolang >Demon Hisao
[00:36:09] Starr|Ipod puts the milk down
[00:36:13] Ziolang what are you even?
[00:36:18] Starr|Ipod EXACTLY
[00:36:25] Ziolang LOL
[00:36:25] Keileon Zio, nothing wrong with that
[00:36:29] Starr|Ipod he'd probably be at either the highest or lowest of his class
[00:36:48] Keileon CoU and its shananigans are basically the epicenter of Alter
[00:36:53] Keileon *shenanigans
[00:36:57] Starr|Ipod One part, he's too cheerful and good, another...physically he can cripple ATK-based people
[00:37:00] Starr|Ipod Easily
[00:37:16] Shadow It's fine. I think it gives a lot of meat and background lore to Drei
[00:37:20] Keileon ^
[00:37:28] Keileon Drei needed the dev
[00:37:30] Ziolang darn, I was trying to escpe
[00:37:33] Ziolang *escape
[00:37:39] Starr|Ipod It sounds pretty cool
[00:37:49] Ziolang so now I need to know...
[00:37:58] Ziolang Is Zio there and does he play any kind of role?
[00:38:13] Starr|Ipod I thought you said he doesn't exist in drei
[00:38:17] Keileon This even potentially gives Shiveztel a reason to exist after SCT lol
[00:38:19] Ziolang I said idk
[00:38:23] Starr|Ipod Oh
[00:38:44] Ziolang ... if he did he probably wouldn't be named Ziolang
[00:38:49] Ziolang But Zyolen
[00:38:53] Ziolang welp
[00:39:19] Keileon pls, by all rights Careodry's name should be Ceriodry
[00:39:27] Ziolang I'll make him some front-lines grunt who dies in his first real battle
[00:39:39] Ziolang gg zyo
[00:39:57] Starr|Ipod Cardry
[00:40:00] Starr|Ipod Knows ur sins
[00:40:03] Ziolang Yeah but with Degol not being lost, there would be no reason for Zio's name to be mispelled
[00:40:12] Keileon cardry the local fish
[00:40:21] Ziolang space fish
[00:40:28] Starr|Ipod [cue face]
[00:40:34] Starr|Ipod Proud acomplishment
[00:40:39] Starr|Ipod Accomplishment
[00:40:47] Keileon Careodry plays a big role in Shiveztel too. Wonder what he thinks about all this.
[00:41:31] Keileon Actually better question. Does he or Shiveztel /care/? Euthora's in a good position in Drei.
[00:41:55] Starr|Ipod Emri picks up Shadow and goes "let's tap in to your potential to beat up demons ok? Ok." And becomes his mentor
[00:42:39] Keileon ... Then again
[00:42:58] Keileon In technicality, Shiveztel is /descended from/ the dergs Deveron put on Euthora
[00:43:08] Starr|Ipod No Starr stop thinking about a demon Hisao
[00:43:23] Starr|Ipod I don't even think the boxers have a baby
[00:43:26] Starr|Ipod Navy
[00:43:28] Starr|Ipod GOSHRIEN
[00:43:32] Starr|Ipod VODERA
[00:43:33] Ziolang Euthora might have to be Vorpalized tho
[00:43:39] Ziolang just sayin
[00:43:42] Keileon Why's that?
[00:43:53] Starr|Ipod >ally?
[00:44:14] Keileon I thought the idea was "watch our dergs and we won't Vorpalize you"
[00:44:18] Ziolang Not the best plan to leave an entire race of vorpal beings on a mana planet
[00:44:31] Keileon Do remember they assimilate and adapt
[00:44:40] Ziolang And I doubt a race bent on vorpalizing the manaverse would let one go free
[00:44:56] Ziolang They just... wouldn't slaughter the inhabitants...?
[00:44:59] Keileon Would they if it meant having Euthora as a willing ally?
[00:45:31] Keileon I mean I'd think that like
[00:45:34] Ziolang It really depends on Hirasu's motives
[00:45:42] Keileon If they can't instantly vorpalize a planet
[00:45:55] Keileon It'd be worthwhile to have allies that can utilize Mana
[00:46:42] Ziolang I'll have to learn more about why their even doing this in the first place to understand what they are and aren't willing to do
[00:46:47] Keileon lel
[00:46:59] Shadow Don't you think it'd be the same thing to Vorpalize them without killing anyone and actually teaching them how to use Vorpal
[00:47:38] Keileon Might work, yeah
[00:47:57] Keileon For some reason my brain went "but they can't use mana if they can use vorpal"
[00:48:00] Keileon Although
[00:48:06] Keileon >Later generations
[00:48:27] Keileon It might be more worthwhile letting them keep their Mana and otherwise keep a close eye on them
[00:48:57] Shadow I don't know what you're implying with later generations
[00:49:02] Ziolang >inb4 Euthora is allowed mana as a test sunject
[00:49:13] Ziolang *subject
[00:50:14] Keileon Okay like I'm not sure how the circuits work but eventually the ability to use normal Mana would be "bred out" in favor of optimizing Vorpal and we'd get a case of Season 0 Zio. What are they going to do if the Vodera run into a Mana planet they have trouble Vorpalizing?
[00:50:32] Keileon Euthora could very well just be a source of shock troops
[00:51:01] Ziolang They'll just keep Euthora and its mana under a microscope for research purposes
[00:51:08] Ziolang lol idk
[00:51:21] Keileon Like I don't mind either way, I'm just thinking in terms of practicality
[00:53:14] Shadow What I mean is what good would it do to use Mana in that situation? They just want to Vorpalize everything. Throwing Mana at it really changes nothing because you can have the same effect with Vorpal entities--just without the Vorpalization
[00:54:20] Keileon If they can't Vorpalize a planet right away, they would benefit from having Mana-using troops to subdue the locals until the planet CAN be Vorpalized
[00:55:24] Shadow Except that they can already use Vorpal without having to be in a Vorpal environment. It's literally the same thing as just sending Vorpal-users in that case
[00:56:19] Keileon I thought there was an issue with suddenly dumping a Vorpal user into a Mana environment, though I suppose even in Zio's case he adapted
[00:57:05] Ziolang By now they'd be used to how that works. Plus, unlike Zio, they don't have Kivorde mucking everything up
[00:57:19] Keileon Ahh right I forgot that detail
[00:57:22] Shadow There would be an issue but they've been doing this for millenia
[00:58:04] Shadow Another point in favor would be the fact that they cannot stay too long in a Mana environment as they risk "normalization" but that takes a lot of time
[00:58:05] Ziolang They would probably use objects like Rilan's spear for Vorpal cycles as well
[00:58:41] Ziolang Plus if Euthora is surrounded by Vorpal, wouldn't it eventually adapt anyway?
[00:59:06] Keileon They're Vorpalizing the planets, not the... do they need to Vorpalize space too?
[00:59:30] Shadow There's Mana in space, so
[00:59:31] Keileon Or does space not have aether
[00:59:32] Keileon o
[00:59:34] Keileon okay
[00:59:42] Keileon now how would that work
[00:59:56] Shadow Literally nothing changes visibly
[00:59:58] Shadow lol
[01:00:07] Keileon Like would space normalize the planets, or the other way around, or...
[01:00:09] Keileon oh
[01:01:07] Ziolang You know they probably have to do some kind of containment field thing or dimensional shenanigans in order to vorpalize a planet
[01:01:32] Shadow Besides, unless Vorpal is "infectious" or something, it'd be Mana that would normalize Vorpal, even if you got a space full of Vorpal surrounding a Mana planet
[01:01:52] Shadow So a containment field would prevent that, yeah
[01:05:59] Keileon So how much Mana would be needed to normalize a converted planet?
[01:07:05] Shadow Not much, all things considered. Technically even a single potent of Mana could normalize an entire planet if given enough time
[01:07:27] Keileon Then I think I know how Vindrgard would be fighting the Vodera Empire
[01:08:19] Keileon Because, do remember, Vindrite dragons are made out of what boils down to crystal Mana. It's just a matter of getting through the containment field.
[01:08:19] Shadow But obviously this would take ridiculously long; bigger quantities would increase the efficiency. You could even craft magic designed to accelerate or deliberately cause this process
[01:08:48] Shadow Yeah, it's a logical conclusion, which is why I said that Crysians weren't necessarily fucked
[01:08:49] Shadow lol
[01:09:01] Shadow You can counter a counter
[01:09:53] Keileon Because Vindrite dragons are fucking /powerful/ creatures, even aalone, and even once you kill it I don't think the Vodera would initially realize the dragon's there to normalize the planet
[01:10:08] Keileon After a while they'd figure it out, but until then...

[Keileon]

Shiveztel Developments

[2016-07-07 02:05:41] <Keileon> derp
[2016-07-07 02:06:05] <Keileon> forgot that I was going to ask if you wanted shiveztel infodump today
[2016-07-07 02:12:09] <Keileon> Shadow are you interested y/n or did I remember too late at night
[2016-07-07 02:12:20] <Keileon> I want someone to bounce my thoughts off anyway
[2016-07-07 02:13:04] <Shadow> oh
[2016-07-07 02:13:09] <Shadow> well it's not too late so sure
[2016-07-07 02:13:21] <Keileon> Alright so
[2016-07-07 02:14:36] <Keileon> You already know how the main difference between Shiveztel and Prime/Alter Jason is that he was raised by his father- as a dragon, by a dragon, and thus was never given his shapeshifting and cultural influences from humans
[2016-07-07 02:15:44] <Keileon> While I don't have much mapped out for early-early life, I have planned out that because Mordicai is still a member of the Fyrebornes, Shiveztel *sort of* gets wrapped up in those shenanigans
[2016-07-07 02:16:48] <Keileon> And by that I mean that when he's a young adolescent/older hatchling (probably a few years old because derg aging) the humans launch an actual, directed effort to kill all them off
[2016-07-07 02:17:37] <Keileon> Mordicai tells Shiveztel to hide until it's over; he and Corian are the only ones to survive the attack (Corian bailed when his teammates started falling)
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[2016-07-07 02:18:28] <Keileon> lol
[2016-07-07 02:18:32] <Keileon> Last thing you saw?
[2016-07-07 02:18:46] <Shadow> 02:15:43 <Keileon> While I don't have much mapped out for early-early life, I have planned out that because Mordicai is still a member of the Fyrebornes, Shiveztel *sort of* gets wrapped up in those shenanigans
[2016-07-07 02:18:47] <Shadow> last thing I got
[2016-07-07 02:18:53] <Keileon> And by that I mean that when he's a young adolescent/older hatchling (probably a few years old because derg aging) the humans launch an actual, directed effort to kill all them off
[2016-07-07 02:19:00] <Keileon> Mordicai tells Shiveztel to hide until it's over; he and Corian are the only ones to survive the attack (Corian bailed when his teammates started falling)
[2016-07-07 02:19:49] <Keileon> Humans end up finding Shiveztel but, instead of killing him, they keep him captured because there's this anti-Vodera movement also happening and they want to see if they can turn their other semi-divine former rulers against the Demons
[2016-07-07 02:20:13] <Shadow> Oh hey it ties into Vodera stuff too
[2016-07-07 02:21:44] <Keileon> Their efforts with Shiveztel don'tgo well. They have to use magic to handle him- his pendant reacts /very strongly/ to their presence and they get a sort of spiritual electric shock when they try to touch Shiveztel. Touching the pendant itself actually scorches the skin (think an electrical or chemical burn rather than heat)
[2016-07-07 02:23:04] <Keileon> This goes on until around Drei SCT when Careodry takes interest (at which point this part is spoilers so I'll have to think about what I want to reveal)
[2016-07-07 02:23:13] <Keileon> But as far as background goes
[2016-07-07 02:23:52] <Keileon> Euthora is formally a willing ally of the Voderan empire, but humans don't like being ruled- not by dragons, and not by Demons
[2016-07-07 02:24:18] <Keileon> Things like Sundavr and the fall of the Skykings are still pretty much intact
[2016-07-07 02:24:54] <Keileon> In fact, I'll hve to ask Giga about this, but
[2016-07-07 02:26:09] <Keileon> I'm thinking that Sundavr and Koth rising to power happened alongside the Vodera taking Euthora- and neither of them liked it, so compared to the other timelines their world takeover ambitions were amped up in an effort to drive away what would rule the rightful kings
[2016-07-07 02:27:20] <Keileon> The only issue is that the Vodera stuff would have to be spread out over many centuries, because Firedrakes and demon dergs and stuff
[2016-07-07 02:27:27] <Keileon> I can probably clear it with Zio
[2016-07-07 02:27:49] <Keileon> An actual alliance that lasts long enough to create the Firedrake, then the Vodera decide they want to actually rule
[2016-07-07 02:28:50] <Keileon> Shapeshifter Alchemist also ties into stuff more directly with Shiveztel himself but he's more of a supporting antagonist
[2016-07-07 02:29:32] <Shadow> Is he A Thing on Prime or is this just Drei
[2016-07-07 02:30:26] <Keileon> He's only confirmed for Drei. I might throw him into Prime.
[2016-07-07 02:30:35] <Keileon> In fact it's very likely
[2016-07-07 02:31:04] <Keileon> Depending on how much would be known about Diclonii by Durasken's ruling body
[2016-07-07 02:31:25] <Keileon> (Because, naturally, he's trying to create immortality of both body and soul)
[2016-07-07 02:31:57] <Shadow> Diclonii? What do they even have to do with that?
[2016-07-07 02:32:09] <Keileon> Shadow being around Euthora
[2016-07-07 02:32:31] <Shadow> Ah
[2016-07-07 02:32:39] <Keileon> I have a vague idea map in my head that I'm just failing miserably at explaining
[2016-07-07 02:32:41] <Shadow> That probably isn't nearly enough time to figure out what he is though
[2016-07-07 02:32:46] <Keileon> I know
[2016-07-07 02:32:59] <Keileon> That's why I said depending
[2016-07-07 02:35:59] <Shadow> Well I can't say for sure, but I doubt he'll associate himself enough with third parties for anyone to even figure out what he is lmao
[2016-07-07 02:36:22] <Keileon> Fair enough
[2016-07-07 02:36:38] <Keileon> It's just a vague possibility that I'm keeping in mind
[2016-07-07 02:36:45] <Shadow> Yeah
[2016-07-07 02:41:56] <Keileon> I need another name to call him by aside from "Shapeshifter Acheist"
[2016-07-07 02:42:02] <Keileon> *Alchemist
[2016-07-07 02:42:17] <Keileon> It's hard to pin a name to a character who doesn't remember his name.
[2016-07-07 02:43:00] <Shadow> lmao
[2016-07-07 02:49:54] <Keileon> tl;dr Drei!Euthora is just a mess of war
[2016-07-07 02:50:58] <Keileon> Because while the Fyreborne war is going on, certain nations are trying to use the dragons to fight the Vodera, and the rest of Euthora is fighting those natios, and the Vodera are occupying Euthora while they're fighting their own war...
[2016-07-07 02:51:08] <Keileon> *nations
[2016-07-07 02:54:24] <Shadow> Haha
[2016-07-07 02:55:09] <Keileon> And I still have no idea how Shyr ties into it all
[2016-07-07 03:02:35] <Keileon> How /would/ a benevolent dragon god that dislikes combat to the point of /sealing/ Sundavr and Koth rather than killing him react to a warlike race forcibly occupying his planet but the planet cooperating enough that resistance is a minority

[Keileon]

Ceskion Pantheon and Litarians

[01:46:00] Keileon I ask because I'm actually having difficulty with the Ceskian pantheon
[01:46:05] Shadow Ah
[01:46:35] Keileon I know what the Sarkiri believe, but they're only partly correct. I don't know the Kovulzel yet, but they're likely not right either
[01:47:09] Keileon In fact if any of the races know what's actually up with the pantheon it's probably that birdlike species I'm developing
[01:47:29] Starr|Ipod Forgot bird was a highlight
[01:47:32] Starr|Ipod Fuck.
[01:47:34] Keileon Cozion is an expy of Sithis, and I know he's real
[01:47:36] Keileon LOL
[01:47:51] Starr|Ipod And idk how to remove highlights on this app
[01:48:01] Shadow Unfortunately the story isn't as interesting with the rest. Fortuna just... happened. In fact I saw a spellcard in a DMF script simply called "Fortuna" and I went "that's the name of a god", and once I established her domain as "luck" it became easy to visualize. Heilleo and Azarre were similarly just... thought up randomly
[01:48:30] Keileon "the name of a god is an actual word that meand luck"
[01:48:33] Keileon *means
[01:48:47] Shadow ^
[01:49:08] Keileon For context on Cozion
[01:49:10] Keileon http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Sithis_(Deity)
[01:49:23] Starr|Ipod What's a Cozion
[01:49:42] Keileon One of the main Sarkiri gods
[01:49:47] Starr|Ipod Ah
[01:49:57] Starr|Ipod Ah Sithis
[01:50:07] Keileon hail sithis
[01:50:12] Shadow Ah, interesting
[01:50:12] Starr|Ipod All I know is Molag Bal tbh...and Akatosh
[01:50:18] Starr|Ipod *baal
[01:50:21] Starr|Ipod Or bal
[01:50:21] Shadow I don't know what exactly you're having trouble with though
[01:50:22] Keileon Bal
[01:50:24] Keileon Not Baal
[01:50:25] Starr|Ipod Ah
[01:50:32] Shadow Baal is a demon
[01:50:46] Starr|Ipod And Talos but I remember he's just a glorified Nord
[01:50:50] Keileon Molag Bal is the name of an Elder Scrolls thing
[01:51:01] Keileon Talos is LITERALLY the Elder Scrolls Paradoxia
[01:51:13] Starr|Ipod I'm surprised Ian didn't correct it to Nerd
[01:51:20] Shadow lmao
[01:51:36] Starr|Ipod I forgot the story on Talos but
[01:51:42] Keileon Shadow; I'm having trouble deciding what the actual pantheon is composed of
[01:51:48] Shadow Ah
[01:51:49] Starr|Ipod I do know he became super glorified after
[01:52:03] Starr|Ipod Warrior God or whatever
[01:52:18] Keileon Talos aka Tiber Septim was a dragonborn, first emperor of Tamriel, and drove the elves back so that humans could be a thing iirc
[01:52:28] Keileon Which is why the elves don't like him.
[01:52:30] Starr|Ipod Ohhhh
[01:52:41] Keileon Also I'm pretty sure he was Imperial, not Nord
[01:52:41] Starr|Ipod Heh
[01:52:58] Starr|Ipod Is that why Talos warship is banned in Skyrim times?
[01:53:03] Keileon yes
[01:53:03] Shadow I did have a great purge of deities, so my advice here is to think in terms of central "themes" rather numbers. It's more important to establish significance/relevance before assigning roles/domains
[01:53:13] Shadow Because you could easily end up with irrelevant deities
[01:53:22] Shadow rather than numbers*
[01:53:26] Starr|Ipod God of love, guys
[01:53:31] Starr|Ipod Remember he helps
[01:53:34] Keileon lol
[01:53:46] Starr|Ipod Glad I axed that
[01:53:55] Starr|Ipod Fucking stupid
[01:54:23] Keileon Since Cozion is an expy of Sithis he's easy enough. The Sarkiri worship him as the Aspect of Blood and the Kovulzel fear him as the god of death but he's more along the lines of an embodiment of the void.
[01:54:50] Starr|Ipod To oblivion and back as they say
[01:54:52] Shadow Also that domains can overlap a lot. Fortuna might as well be the goddess of economy and love as well, so you should keep in mind how civilization could """use""" or interpret the deity's domain
[01:55:23] Keileon Dyovyhr... I know he's real, and the Sarkiri call him the Aspect of the Hunt, but I don't know what he /actually/ is
[01:57:04] Keileon He's also /sort of but not really/ an expy of Hircine but only in the "hunter deity" sense
[01:58:08] Shadow How many Aspects are there? You could easily do what I just said and make it so all the Aspects actually represent a fewer number of deities, like LITERAL aspects of divine entities
[01:59:44] Keileon Four
[02:00:34] Keileon The Kovulzel also have a Greater and Lesser Circle of gods with a currently undefined number
[02:01:08] Shadow Ah. So it could be the other way around then--the Aspects overlapping between a number of different deities
[02:01:28] Shadow i.e. what they call the Aspect of the Hunt could easily refer to more than one deity in "reality"
[02:01:49] Keileon I do feel like Apion and Cozion are the same deity though
[02:02:24] Keileon (Apion is the Aspect of Secrecy or the Aspect of Silence in some tribes of Sarkiri)
[02:04:00] Shadow That's what I mean with overlap, really. Two Aspects could represent the same deity or they could simultaneously refer to different ones
[02:04:20] Keileon Yeah
[02:04:50] Keileon On that note!
[02:06:09] Keileon The birdlike race that lost their sapience- I'm pretty sure they were cursed by Cozion as some sort of punishment. He's definitely not the most benevolent deity and I feel like if there was any god the race would anger it'd be him
[02:14:32] Keileon In fact I think I've figured out a bit more about them
[02:16:25] Keileon They held to the belief that aggression could be stifled with intelligence, which would foster peace. Somehow they angered Cozion, who revoked that intelligence to undo all the progress towards peace they made, turning them into voracious and nonsapient hunters among their ruins
[02:17:01] Keileon And of course Dyovyhr probably stood idly by because he didn't care enough
[02:18:54] Shadow That does work a lot better than themselves causing the loss of sapience
[02:19:12] Keileon also I found a really cool image for a ceskian monster
[02:19:14] Keileon http://puu.sh/pUmUr/500f6538c2.jpg
[02:20:28] Keileon My brain keeps wanting to call them Wraithbound so I guess that's their name now

[Keileon]

Massive Drei Dev

[23:32:47] Zio Heyo Kuda
[23:32:51] Keileon Hi
[23:33:07] Zio needed review rp things?
[23:33:13] Keileon We're... attempting to CP, but Dark vanished...
[23:33:14] Keileon Yeah
[23:33:17] Keileon Sec
[23:34:06] Keileon Near the end is Vodera-relevant stuff: http://puu.sh/pVogt/5ba50e9990.txt
[23:34:30] Keileon Er, middle rather
[23:35:09] Keileon Most important line is this:
[23:35:10] Keileon [2016-07-07 02:27:49] <Keileon> An actual alliance that lasts long enough to create the Firedrake, then the Vodera decide they want to actually rule
[23:35:24] Keileon Also did you get my text
[23:38:35] Zio Yes I did; finished readimg
[23:38:40] Zio *reading
[23:39:28] Zio So I've indeed thought more over how that special circumstance would play out
[23:39:49] Keileon ??
[23:39:59] Zio One sex
[23:40:03] Zio ........
[23:40:04] Keileon lol
[23:40:06] LordXGigaX Good job!
[23:40:07] Zio sec......
[23:40:22] Keileon Don't worry I have to make sure I hit the right key every time I say sec too
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[23:40:58] Ziolang much better
[23:41:07] Ziolang Give me the infodump again?
[23:41:17] Keileon http://puu.sh/pVogt/5ba50e9990.txt
[23:41:32] Ziolang Ok so let's talk drei
[23:41:36] Keileon Yes
[23:41:50] Ziolang Prime, Alter and Drei I think all have the same "origin" story
[23:42:08] Ziolang [Shadow I hope you're here for this]
[23:42:12] Keileon (Shadow, you're up if you plan to post again)
[23:42:22] Shadow I'm done for tonight
[23:42:25] Shadow and yes
[23:42:25] Keileon kk
[23:43:22] Ziolang That is to say that the Demons become their interplanetary invading selves, probably more along the lines of testing their own limits and less about actual conquering
[23:43:39] Ziolang This happening the same in each timeline
[23:43:48] Ziolang The split happens with Hirasu
[23:43:49] LordXGigaX Welp, this was a waste
[23:43:59] Keileon Well, at least something happened
[23:45:03] Ziolang Prime and Alter timelines follow the route that Hirasu melts into the Aether and the Demons try to find a new way to efficiently command Vorpal without the risk of following suit. eg, Kivorde
[23:45:41] Keileon (Sidebar: is the e in Kivorde pronounced or silent?)
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[23:46:00] Ziolang Drei follows the route that rather than Hirasu melting into Vorpal, Vorpal essentially melts into him, creating deity!Hirasu
[23:46:15] Ziolang [kee-vor-day]
[23:46:17] Keileon kk
[23:46:25] Ziolang With a rolled r
[23:47:38] Ziolang I believe it's /after/ Hirasu gains the deity! tag that the Vodera start their imperial conquest
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[23:48:35] Ziolang So long story short, Euthora would become affiliated with Deveron /before/ deity!Hirasu is a thing, they dump their dragons there as per the other timelines and everything is happy happy joy joy.
[23:49:03] Keileon And then they start conquesting and Euthora is a liability?
[23:50:09] Ziolang Then however many decades/centuries later, Hirasu gets his deity! tag and the conquest begins. Initially they probably maintain their alliance due to the honor-nature of Vodera, but by SCT Euthora's usefulness would be under heavy consideration
[23:50:21] Ziolang If not already being invaded
[23:50:27] Keileon Mmm
[23:50:41] Ziolang That help fit your needs?
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[23:51:01] Keileon Depending on when it all happens- either push that to 700 pre-SCT or Sundavr/Koth can get pushed forward
[23:51:04] Ziolang This is like CoU the MMO
[23:51:14] Keileon Or both
[23:51:24] Keileon I don't want them too close to SCT
[23:51:47] Ziolang Well all I meant by "by SCT" is that anytime before then this could happen
[23:51:55] Keileon Alright then
[23:51:58] Ziolang deity!Hirasu is millenia before SCT
[23:52:08] Keileon Ah yeah, that works then
[23:52:24] Keileon Have them start to invade Euthora as Koth and Sundavr start to rise to power
[23:52:36] Ziolang Fine by me~
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[23:53:02] Ziolang I wanna play this as an MMO now...
[23:53:34] Keileon With the self-proclaimed kings being dragon-tier entitled and arrogant, neither will like that the Vodera are taking over and their rise to power- while ultimately quelled by Shyr- still sparks a resistance movement
[23:54:09] Ziolang >Empire vs Rebels; in space
[23:54:14] Ziolang Where have I seen this before?
[23:54:28] Ziolang Vodera need a death star now
[23:54:33] Keileon (I say entitled because Euthoran dragons are pretty much semi-divine by nature- they're like Elder Scrolls dragons in that sense)
[23:54:54] Keileon Although those dragons are literally lesser gods
[23:55:13] Ziolang That die like plebs
[23:56:14] Keileon Only because the one person that can kill them not only happens to be there, but either focused all their skill into archery or kept making potions that increased their enchanting that increased their alchemy that inc-- *shot*
[23:56:27] Ziolang lol
[23:56:47] Ziolang so yeah
[23:56:49] Ziolang drei
[23:56:51] Keileon yes
[23:56:53] Keileon drei
[23:57:09] Keileon I'm actually looking forward to Drei being /in action/
[23:57:13] Keileon rather than just this dev
[23:57:15] Keileon Also
[23:57:26] Keileon I have no idea what side Shiveztel will be on.
[23:58:12] Ziolang So let's gossip then
[23:58:20] Keileon ??
[23:58:30] Ziolang How much of the known manaverse would be apart of the war?
[23:58:38] Ziolang *a part
[23:59:31] Keileon Vindrgard fighting the Vodera, Euthora torn, Ceskion either a mercenary-type ally or just avoiding the fight altogether
[00:00:07] Keileon I know Crysia's going to fight because Shadow confirmed it, and Shadow also doesn't want to consider the ramifications of Phantasia being vorpalized
[00:00:26] Ziolang Deveron the hub, Boravel wrecked, dream!world probably undiscovered
[00:00:33] Ziolang That covers my worlds I think
[00:00:44] Keileon I think Dark mentioned Ferona wouldn't know what to do, Starr's trying to stay out of it-- Boravel?-- and Giga doesn't yet care enough
[00:01:12] Keileon Rinul, Daeridune, and most of all /Terra/ are interesting unknowns to consider
[00:01:15] Ziolang Boravel is a pet project of mine on the back burner while I dev dream!world.
[00:01:18] Keileon Ah
[00:01:38] Ziolang You remember the premise of dream!world, right?
[00:01:43] Keileon We could make it so that- yes
[00:01:51] Keileon -- Rinul is never destroyed.
[00:02:14] Ziolang World influenced-- oooooooh --by child's dreams. That child is from Boravel.
[00:02:16] Keileon And I'm almost 100% certain the Ereva would join Vindrgard and Crysia if they even find out what's happening
[00:02:32] Ziolang I would love to see Rinul alive and involved
[00:02:38] Keileon Shadow get in here
[00:02:49] Ziolang Cause then we could see a combat-ready Rinul
[00:02:52] Keileon ^
[00:02:57] Ziolang Something I haven't imagined
[00:02:59] Keileon And the best part
[00:03:01] Shadow what the helll is Boravel
[00:03:17] Keileon Is that both of the main worlds fighting the Vodera are heavily Mana-based
[00:03:18] Ziolang seal!world
[00:03:25] Keileon Which means Rinul would fit in perfectly
[00:03:33] Ziolang Rinul could prove a huge asset
[00:04:01] Ziolang They could collaborate with Phantasia to study and counteract Vorpal
[00:04:24] Keileon Especially since using Mana to normalize Vorpalized worlds is probably a huge facet of how the resistance is fighting
[00:04:31] Ziolang Develop mana-protection systems and what-not to combat vorpalization
[00:05:20] Ziolang I still need to name dream!world
[00:05:40] Ziolang Slumberland
[00:05:46] Ziolang Fantasia
[00:05:50] Keileon leiobea
[00:06:02] Ziolang what even
[00:06:11] Keileon (don't actually use that)
[00:06:20] Ziolang Texas
[00:06:51] Shadow >collaborate with Phantasia
[00:06:55] Shadow Phantasia is no more
[00:07:00] Ziolang oh?
[00:07:16] Ziolang What'chu talkin bout?
[00:07:24] Keileon You admitted that you don't know what'd happen to Phantasia in Drei
[00:07:27] Shadow I think you guys missed the part where I said that Phantasia is RIP in any timeline when FM doesn't happen
[00:07:52] Ziolang Want me to nuke it?
[00:07:56] Shadow No, I said I didn't know what'd happen if Vorpal got somehow involved after the fact
[00:07:57] Ziolang Have it go out in style?
[00:08:06] Shadow It's already pretty much nuked itself tbh
[00:08:16] Ziolang welp
[00:08:18] Ziolang gg
[00:08:23] Keileon 1. we don't even know if FM happens or not and 2. you said Phantasia being Vorpalized before FM would change things so much you don't want to think of the consequences
[00:08:49] Shadow ...
[00:08:58] Shadow >FM happening with Shadow in Crysia
[00:08:58] Keileon No, I remember very clearly.
[00:08:59] Shadow ?????????????????
[00:09:03] Keileon o
[00:09:05] Keileon right
[00:09:08] Keileon forgot that detail
[00:09:09] Shadow jesus fuck
[00:09:20] Keileon To be FAIR I have no idea when that happens
[00:09:36] Keileon I just know it /does/ happen
[00:09:46] Shadow By DEFINITION, Shadow's story path in Drei does not include FM
[00:09:47] Shadow At all
[00:09:56] Keileon okay
[00:09:57] Keileon but
[00:09:59] Ziolang I should get back to world dev so I can get my other two worlds in the wiki
[00:10:04] Keileon my second point stands
[00:10:22] Keileon because I /know/ I asked what'd happen if Vorpal was involved /before/ FM
[00:10:24] Ziolang Especially since Benson is from [REDACTED]
[00:11:05] Ziolang >Phantasia is vorpal'd before Shadow is even An Thing
[00:11:08] Shadow Okay ignoring that, as for 2. I meant that the consequences of Phantasia being Vorpalized around the time of FM would change things very unpredictably, but elaborating more than that is FM spoilers so I fundamentally can't
[00:11:13] Ziolang Just... imagine that
[00:11:27] Keileon Alright then
[00:11:52] Shadow So tl;dr Phantasia's out
[00:11:57] Keileon Also speaking of FM
[00:12:07] Keileon I want to ask if a Daivam mechanic works
[00:12:15] Shadow ???
[00:12:26] Ziolang Wait if I have Boravel vorpal'd in drei, that just means drei!dream!world isn't affected by little girl's dreams... which means drei!dream!world is just... "world"
[00:14:08] Keileon I had the idea that Daivam is completely removed from any energy cycle except an eternal one- the VE acts like actual blood, instead of just replacing it, and it sort of infinitely regenerates itself when Daivam uses "magic" (not fast enough to create an automatic mana cycle in statform until maybe third job idk) and to prevent the VE from just lingering in the world when he uses it it just...
[00:14:08] Keileon ...gets normalized quickly
[00:14:16] Keileon That was longer than I planned
[00:14:27] Keileon And it probably makes little sense in my haste to condense it
[00:14:54] Keileon *internal but eternal works too
[00:14:54] Shadow I understood almost none of that
[00:15:49] Keileon tl;dr Daivam runs entirely off an internal "mana pool" and would then, for example, be /completely/ unaffected if the world around him was Vorpalized
[00:16:53] Ziolang aether man
[00:17:30] Shadow Okay, but where is the energy from regeneration coming from?
[00:19:00] Keileon Blood cells are infinitely replenished by the body (unless you lose so much that you'd die first). The VE literally replaced Daivam's blood. It wouldn't be fast enough that he would be regaining VE every turn but it'd be enough to keep him sustaind over time.
[00:20:11] Keileon Think of his circulation system being a physical Mana cycle or something, I guess
[00:21:18] Shadow Blood cells are infinitely replenished by the body because the body is expending energy to do so. Daivam works because VE literally assimilates the surrounding Mana to indefinitely sustain his body, but it's not like the energy is being created from nothing
[00:21:33] Keileon Ah, okay
[00:21:39] Keileon Was worth asking
[00:21:45] Shadow However even so I don't think he'd be affected by Vorpal anyway
[00:21:49] Shadow so this is all moot
[00:22:00] Keileon Because VE and Vorpal are both just variants of Mana?
[00:22:30] Shadow Yeah. It's close enough that it might just work. Hell maybe it even works with Prana too
[00:22:38] Keileon Alright then
[00:23:15] Keileon Also I still have this dumb mental image of Daivam floating in space after Phantasia gg's
[00:23:22] Shadow LOL
[00:23:30] Keileon Unless he follows Shadow to Crysia which is unlikely
[00:23:37] Shadow Phantasia is still physically /there/ (I think)
[00:23:43] Shadow Just... uninhabitable
[00:24:16] Keileon Uninhabitable to the point where Daivam would gg or would he just wander around alone and confined to a new sort of hell
[00:26:17] Shadow Either the first or the second in that "new sort of hell" involves reviving and dying forever
[00:26:28] Keileon oh god
[00:26:36] Keileon I kind of prefer that second one tbh
[00:27:19] Shadow yeah same
[00:27:31] Keileon Poor Daivam
[00:27:39] Ziolang haha sap
[00:27:43] Keileon Hopefully someone'll manage to find and rescue him
[00:27:52] Shadow Probably not
[00:28:38] Keileon How long would he be able to survive for? Maybe he can make his way off the planet somehow between deaths
[00:29:22] Shadow I don't know, probably not for long tbh. Or... well, this is what I mean by Drei!Phantasia being unpredictable because I do see a way to save him but [REDACTED]
[00:29:32] Keileon Ah
[00:30:18] Shadow Until I get FM to the point where I can reveal the spoilers, Phantasia's involvement in Drei will have to be minimal and very vague, it seems
[00:30:33] Shadow Might as well not consider it at all
[00:30:36] Keileon I'm guessing that Phantasia's basically subject to metaphysical super-radiation that'll kill someone in minutes
[00:30:38] Shadow For the time being
[00:31:25] Keileon and daivam survives through DETERMINATION
[00:31:43] Ziolang get out
[00:31:49] Keileon Zio Undertale
[00:31:58] Ziolang kuda grandia
[00:32:05] Keileon Especially because you don't fully get the reference
[00:32:16] Keileon I'll Grandia when you at least finish Pacifist
[00:32:24] Ziolang pls
[00:32:27] Keileon We've established this
[00:32:33] Keileon Shadow help me out here
[00:33:02] Shadow >I'll play [x] but only if you play [y]
[00:33:12] Shadow we really are pretty autistic about recommendations
[00:33:18] Keileon Well I mean
[00:33:38] Keileon He's still making his way through Snowdin
[00:33:39] Shadow (no but finish Undertale)
[00:33:42] Keileon c'mon
[00:33:45] Ziolang what words would you use to describe a planet that is abundant in plant life?
[00:33:52] Keileon green
[00:33:56] Shadow plant
[00:34:07] Ziolang lush?
[00:34:10] Keileon a vegan's dream
[00:34:11] Ziolang vibrant?
[00:34:18] Keileon Lush yeah
[00:35:16] Keileon Anyway
[00:35:30] Keileon Daeridune and Terra are interesting to consider in Drei
[00:36:42] Shadow Why Terra?
[00:37:22] Ziolang because reasons
[00:37:25] Ziolang obviously
[00:37:45] Ziolang each of you pick a number between 3 and 9
[00:37:50] Keileon Because imagine if, in real-world earth, a race of winged near-demonic-looking creatures suddenly took over your world, introducing some odd form of magic
[00:37:52] Keileon 5
[00:37:55] Shadow 3.1416
[00:38:01] Keileon of course
[00:38:39] Ziolang I think you misunderstand post-deity invasion tactics
[00:39:14] Shadow Terra is interesting to consider only for the fact that it's comparatively remote from other worlds and there's a Reality Marble surrounding it
[00:39:27] Ziolang The Vodera empire is less about subjugation and more about occupation. Inhabitants have to have some pretty darn compelling reasons to not be exterminated
[00:39:37] Keileon Ah
[00:39:45] Keileon So basically rip terrans
[00:39:52] Ziolang pretty much
[00:40:08] Ziolang Vodera empire is basically space nazis
[00:40:09] Keileon ... Wait that's... interesting to consider nonetheless
[00:40:18] Keileon If only because of certain characters
[00:40:38] Shadow Actually wait, according to crazE his main is supposed to fulfill his Terra-original story route in Drei so yes actually
[00:40:51] Keileon Depending on when this would happen- iirc Giga for example was born on Terra, and then there's Craz yeah
[00:41:10] Ziolang 4 or 5 continents...
[00:41:26] Ziolang Planets probably... 60/40 water/land ratio
[00:41:32] Keileon And Terra isn't /completely/ isolated from Manaverse mechanics. There's the stuff we were going to explore in F/LT, and there's crazEcorp...
[00:41:49] Shadow That's not what I mean
[00:42:02] Shadow Isolated =/= having things happen in it
[00:42:03] Keileon I know- I'm thinking aloud
[00:42:07] Ziolang let's do five
[00:43:04] Ziolang oh right. duh. there's definitely five
[00:43:35] Ziolang Or was there four with one split in half?
[00:43:42] Ziolang sigh I'm confusing myself
[00:49:09] Shadow Either way... Daeridune, I don't know. We need to develop the planet more in general
[00:49:36] Keileon Yes
[00:49:46] Shadow The entirety of Starrworlds are out for retarded reasons so there's only Giga's worlds to consider plus Ferona
[00:51:00] Keileon Like I said, Giga doesn't care yet and I /think/ Dark said Ferona would be torn
[00:51:32] Keileon In fact it's pretty much impossible that Ferona /wouldn't/ be involved since it's in the same system as Euthora and Ceskion
[00:51:33] Shadow So that's about it, I guess
[00:51:46] Keileon I want to think more about Rinul
[00:53:02] Shadow You're going with Rinul not being destroyed in Drei, yes? That probably has much bigger consequences than you might think
[00:53:16] Keileon Probably. Which is why I want to think about it.
[00:53:23] Ziolang malice vs vorpal gogogoggogogogogogogogogogogogogog
[00:53:31] Keileon Haha oh god
[00:53:53] Keileon Well, there are a couple things we could consider
[00:54:02] Keileon 1. The dimensional bubble is never broken
[00:54:37] Keileon 2. The Ereva somehow find out what's going on in the universe outside the bubble- maybe the Vodera get in somehow idk
[00:54:39] Ziolang 3. Tiran dies
[00:55:08] Keileon Then it's just high-Mana-affinity Ereva vs Vodera attempting to Vorpalize the world
[00:55:21] Keileon Which really, sounds like an intense war
[00:55:54] Keileon In fact I think the Vorpal would normalize faster than the Vodera can take over, all things considered
[00:56:52] Keileon >Fang/Tasc/Ralara/Aravera existing beyond their destruction-based motives
[00:56:54] Keileon aaaaaa
[00:57:13] Ziolang >Ralara never being adopted
[00:57:21] Ziolang >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Ralara never being adopted
[00:57:23] Shadow Fang would just be a normal pleb
[00:57:31] Keileon tascera would have a tail
[00:57:47] Keileon Tasc would /still/ be a technopath too
[00:58:42] Keileon I dunno, maybe they can do their thing in response to the vodera invasion
[00:59:08] Ziolang But there'd be no Ralara... it'd just be Tasc and Fang...
[00:59:09] Keileon Aravera wouldn't turn to Malice though, which makes me... need to consider an entirely different side of her
[00:59:11] Ziolang so sad...
[01:00:53] Keileon I wonder what it'd mean for the Skycrowns
[01:01:26] Ziolang Rowan and Kala would be happily married with their kid(s)
[01:01:29] Keileon Aryn would be an adult at SCT but the rest depends on how far back we need to go to keep Rinul from being destroyed
[01:01:58] Ziolang >inb4 rowan/kala/ralara killed in invasion
[01:02:20] Keileon If it's as far as keeping Tiran's group from even forming? Kyllan would be alive and Aryn might not even know Rowan, afaik
[01:03:08] Ziolang wait wait wait hold on
[01:03:19] Ziolang Not know Rowan? as in nottheir butler?
[01:03:39] Ziolang But then... he and Kala would never even be An Thing
[01:03:42] Ziolang Which means...
[01:03:45] Ziolang Which means........
[01:03:47] Keileon I thought Aldon hired Rowan to keep an eye on Aryn to prevent something happening to her after Kyllan dies
[01:04:00] Ziolang Drei would be devoid of Ralara
[01:04:05] Ziolang Utterly devoid
[01:04:11] Ziolang of Ralara
[01:04:14] Keileon Okay so clearly Kyllan needs to die regardless
[01:04:17] Keileon rip kyllan
[01:04:20] Ziolang LOL
[01:04:21] Keileon Problem solved
[01:05:38] Ziolang Ralara wouldn't be an epic voidbender though so
[01:06:13] Starr|Ipod Voidbending reminds me of avatar
[01:06:20] Keileon of course it does
[01:06:28] Starr|Ipod Yeah
[01:06:39] Ziolang The irony here
[01:06:49] Keileon But yeah, Rinul not being destroyed... has interesting implications
[01:07:15] Ziolang is that the timeline where it would be extremely handy to have epic-tier characters is the timeline where those characters don't reach epic-tier
[01:07:25] Keileon Haha
[01:07:40] Keileon Well, who knows
[01:07:49] Keileon Maybe the /Vodera/ destroy Rinul
[01:08:07] Ziolang T13 wouldn't be a thing. No Shadow really. Zio's a pleb if even a thing.
[01:08:29] Ziolang Shiveztel has to rise to power already under subjugation
[01:08:47] Ziolang Giga's probably dead in a ditch
[01:08:51] Keileon Actualy
[01:08:54] Keileon *actually
[01:08:54] Shadow >No Shadow really
[01:08:57] Shadow He's a Thing
[01:09:14] Ziolang oh?
[01:09:20] Keileon Shiveztel rises to power to Prime!Jason's level, and a lot more quickly than Jason does
[01:10:07] Keileon Being in tune with his draconic heritage, having an Awakened Domain, /and/ having one of the most powerful dragons on Euthoora as his Familiar helps him a lot
[01:10:08] Shadow We went over this; Shadow's route in Drei assumes that instead of following the path to Alter/Prime he is taken by the Crysians along with Vortex
[01:10:11] Keileon *Euthora
[01:10:33] Ziolang Ok so we really only lose out on T13
[01:10:35] Ziolang but still
[01:10:54] Keileon Fang and Tasc could still do their things in reaction to the Vodera
[01:11:05] Ziolang I want my Anti-Vodera Elite Task Force T13
[01:11:20] Shadow However I have no idea where his story path is supposed to take him so I wouldn't exactly count on Outside Observer!Shadow
[01:11:41] Starr|Ipod Ivette wouldn't exist in this if the Szaufers don't visit obscurely named dimension #2
[01:12:12] Ziolang >Shadow trips on a rock and dies
[01:12:15] Keileon I need to know what happens to Shyr
[01:12:18] Shadow Yeah see
[01:12:22] Starr|Ipod So it would be T12 or they find someone else
[01:12:29] Shadow >T12
[01:12:31] Ziolang Rilan
[01:12:34] Shadow No T13 doesn't even exist
[01:12:37] Ziolang What Rilan even be
[01:12:52] Keileon He's the only aspect of Euthora's literal life force that I don't know anything about in this timeline
[01:12:57] Ziolang LOL NO T13
[01:12:58] Starr|Ipod No I'm just referring to what I just saw really/running my mouth
[01:13:00] Ziolang THAT MEANS
[01:13:12] Keileon >Jewel?
[01:13:16] Ziolang Juliana dies in a desert somewhere on her homeworld
[01:13:20] Keileon Yeah LOL
[01:13:40] Shadow What if we just make this the tragic timeline
[01:13:42] Ziolang Jewel ded in a ditch
[01:13:47] Keileon No that's Alter
[01:13:49] Starr|Ipod Valara moves from femnazi-ism to #ManaLivesMatter
[01:13:56] Starr|Ipod I mean Valria
[01:13:58] Shadow Alter isn't even bad
[01:13:59] Keileon LOL MANA LIVES MATTER
[01:14:05] Ziolang Alter is literally "Hirasu Tragedy" so
[01:14:07] Starr|Ipod Goddamnit night Kaleidoscope for the mixup
[01:14:27] Keileon Shadow; well let's see
[01:14:37] Shadow By tragic I mean "everyone important dies, nobody really has a ending and just dies"
[01:14:38] Ziolang Deveron collapses in on itself and Ziolang /snaps Zhegard in half/ in despair
[01:14:42] Starr|Ipod I rather like alter but that's probably because it's the only place I've been able to play anything
[01:14:45] Keileon Euthora and Phantasia and Deveron are all in bad shape in Alter
[01:15:06] Keileon Characters that should realize their proper story routes never do
[01:15:11] Ziolang Welcome to drei
[01:15:14] Ziolang No one is safe
[01:15:32] Starr|Ipod Jokes on you most of the true Starrguys story routes are on Alter
[01:15:34] Ziolang "Hi, my name is Ziol- *hit by a bus the end*"
[01:15:35] Keileon Alter is the timeline tht spawned the Law of Suffering iirc
[01:15:46] Starr|Ipod What is this, a soap opera? @crayon
[01:15:59] Ziolang yes
[01:16:04] Ziolang with space nazis
[01:16:04] Starr|Ipod In that case
[01:16:06] Starr|Ipod *car
[01:16:07] Shadow What I mean is that comparatively speaking, Alter is nowhere as bad as it could be
[01:16:29] Starr|Ipod Imagine Starr using Quadriphenia to peer into Drei
[01:16:34] Ziolang Yeah, it could have a egotistical nazi race obliterating the manaverse
[01:16:36] Keileon We have space nazis, several space pirates, a few space police...
[01:16:44] Starr|Ipod *peers in* "DEMONS" *peers out*
[01:16:47] Keileon space russians
[01:16:51] Starr|Ipod "All I saw were red people"
[01:16:59] Ziolang pls
[01:17:05] Ziolang They're not /all/ red
[01:17:06] Ziolang pls
[01:17:13] Ziolang racist
[01:17:14] Starr|Ipod How many times do I gotta say that Grens aren't Russians
[01:17:19] Keileon >Syal?
[01:17:21] Keileon *Syel
[01:17:24] Starr|Ipod Finnish
[01:17:29] Keileon Close enough
[01:17:37] Keileon Same general area of the world
[01:17:40] Starr|Ipod Grenians are more Hungarian
[01:17:43] Keileon We also have space asians
[01:17:47] Starr|Ipod Okay yeah
[01:17:57] Starr|Ipod Space Asia God bless
[01:18:05] Keileon And space argonians
[01:18:06] Starr|Ipod They get fucked over in every timeline
[01:18:12] Ziolang space dergs
[01:18:19] Keileon Vindrgard has space dergs
[01:18:20] Ziolang space furries
[01:18:24] Starr|Ipod Which is why Talon exists everywhere
[01:18:28] Keileon Since Vindrite dragons are golems
[01:18:29] Ziolang space Texas
[01:18:36] Keileon They can survive in space
[01:18:40] Starr|Ipod Space Mexico
[01:18:49] Ziolang Space Australia
[01:18:56] Ziolang Spaceys
[01:18:57] Starr|Ipod I mean Space Iberian Peninsula/Mexico
[01:18:58] Keileon Space Edgy Anime
[01:18:59] Starr|Ipod LOL
[01:19:02] Keileon (rokans)
[01:19:09] Starr|Ipod ah TFS
[01:19:19] Starr|Ipod And Space Israel
[01:19:21] Starr|Ipod I guess
[01:19:25] Starr|Ipod Idk what Causica is
[01:19:31] Keileon We just very quickly got very off track
[01:19:36] Starr|Ipod Sorry
[01:19:40] Ziolang lol
[01:19:42] Starr|Ipod Carry on
[01:19:47] Ziolang We're pros
[01:19:50] Keileon I
[01:19:56] Keileon Legitimately don't know
[01:20:06] Keileon If Shiveztel would side with or against the Vodera
[01:20:22] Keileon And this is more important than it sounds
[01:20:43] Ziolang Jason leads a space nazi army
[01:21:06] Keileon Because if he sides with the Vodera, so will Careodry, and that's 2/3 of the dragons that /literally determine Euthora's story/ siding with space nazis'
[01:21:14] Keileon And as I have NO idea what Shyr does...
[01:21:25] Ziolang ooooh
[01:21:30] Ziolang idea
[01:21:33] Keileon ??
[01:21:43] Ziolang What if he and Careodry side with the nazis
[01:21:49] Ziolang and /kill/ Shyr
[01:21:53] Keileon I considered that
[01:22:01] Starr|Ipod LMAO shyr rip
[01:22:08] Starr|Ipod Doesn't he also die in Alter
[01:22:12] Keileon Most likely
[01:22:15] Ziolang Everyone dies in alter
[01:22:19] Starr|Ipod Bad luck derg
[01:22:25] Ziolang It's only a matter of time
[01:22:31] Starr|Ipod Yeh
[01:22:48] Keileon Shiveztel sides with the Vodera, kills Shyr under their command, proxy ruler
[01:22:50] Ziolang Angry Demon Arc rapidly approaches this truth
[01:22:59] Starr|Ipod Like soon we'll see Zio discovering the joys of getting ganked to death by the cult
[01:23:11] Ziolang Then Hirasu comes and kills Shiveztel
[01:23:16] Keileon Kind of like how Rchaziir "rules" Euthorica, I think
[01:23:18] Keileon No no
[01:23:30] Keileon The Vodera would rule Euthora /through/ Shiveztel
[01:23:35] Starr|Ipod Lmao Rchaziir
[01:23:47] Starr|Ipod She's a bit too stubborn for her own good
[01:23:58] Ziolang I imagine the more unruly worlds they'd have arrangements like that
[01:24:10] Keileon >Euthora is unruly by SCT
[01:24:27] Ziolang But ultimately once Hirasu is satisfied with his conquest, he'd probably go back to those worlds and straight kill those plebs
[01:24:38] Keileon >The humans don't want to be ruled by the Vodera so they accept Skyking rule as the lesser evil
[01:24:48] Starr|Ipod Also Rchaziir only rules Azuma island and its sister island, not everything there btw
[01:24:51] Ziolang Granted we'll probably never see "satisfied with his conquest" ever happen
[01:24:57] Starr|Ipod She'd get nuked if she got closer to the other islands
[01:25:11] Keileon So basically Shiveztel just became a Skyking in the span of like five minutes
[01:25:30] Starr|Ipod So this is basically, in drei:
[01:25:33] Keileon And actually
[01:25:40] Starr|Ipod Either voting for Trump or Hilary
[01:25:41] Ziolang I should reeeeaaally find out Hirasu's motivation
[01:25:45] Keileon It's /very/ unlikely that Hirasu could kill Shiveztel
[01:25:52] Ziolang Also, imagine Drei Hirasu in F/LT
[01:25:58] Starr|Ipod Hirasu is demon
[01:26:02] Starr|Ipod That's enough motivation
[01:26:05] Keileon Because between Shiveztel's and Careodry's- oh god- Soul Phantasms, they'd evade death
[01:26:16] Starr|Ipod And wow iPod actually autocorrected me to spell Hirasu right LOL
[01:26:38] Ziolang Hirasu would just
[01:26:42] Ziolang Detonate the planet
[01:26:45] Ziolang So...
[01:26:49] Starr|Ipod LOL
[01:26:52] Ziolang Can Shiveztal breath in space?
[01:26:59] Starr|Ipod breath in space
[01:27:01] Keileon Maybe, but Careodry could just bring Shiveztel to another planet
[01:27:04] Ziolang Careodry might be ok tho
[01:27:39] Ziolang I'm now imagining an angry Hirasu detonating planets chasing these two across the manaverse
[01:27:43] Keileon LMAO
[01:27:50] Shadow p. sure Crysians can kill them all
[01:27:51] Keileon Best mental image
[01:27:54] Shadow :xxxxxx
[01:27:58] Keileon >Crysian meme
[01:28:14] Starr|Ipod Battle of the memes
[01:28:36] Keileon tbf
[01:28:41] Ziolang Any planet that gets Vorpalized is instanly incapable of fighting back so
[01:28:45] Keileon Hirasu would have to /find/ them first
[01:28:48] Ziolang Let's keep that in mind
[01:29:14] Keileon It's likely they'll just go into self-imposed exile on some far-flung planet
[01:29:43] Starr|Ipod I wonder if (in case they would exist there) Talon would either fight a demon invasion or /help them/ if it's the world's definite path
[01:30:04] Ziolang Considering this is based on the hypothetical scenario of "satisfied with his conquest", the implication would be that he owns the manaverse so
[01:30:21] Keileon Literally impossible
[01:30:26] Keileon so
[01:30:35] Ziolang exactly
[01:30:39] Starr|Ipod So Hirasu is Frieza, crayon?
[01:30:47] Ziolang Hence why the entire scenario will never be played out
[01:30:56] Keileon If nothing else they can hide out in Careodry's void for eternity
[01:31:01] Starr|Ipod Does he send out gift baskets to the families of fallen demons
[01:31:08] Ziolang Yes, except less of a daddy's boy
[01:31:14] Starr|Ipod LOL
[01:31:58] Ziolang So if Hirasu successfully owned the manaverse, wouldn't it officially become the vorpalverse?
[01:32:07] Starr|Ipod Yes
[01:32:17] Keileon No, because Mana would still be present outside the planets
[01:32:24] Starr|Ipod It would go full circle into your OWN universe
[01:32:27] Keileon And would continuously normalize the Vorpal
[01:32:30] Ziolang Could... could an outside observer do anything about a being who literally encompasses a universe's worth of aether?
[01:32:38] Starr|Ipod Maybe
[01:32:53] Starr|Ipod Override
[01:33:03] Shadow >maybe
[01:33:05] Keileon tl;dr you can't Vorpalize the entire Manaverse and it would require more maintenance the larger the empire is
[01:33:06] Shadow doesn't work that way
[01:33:09] Starr|Ipod No?
[01:33:11] Keileon Think the Roman empire
[01:33:35] Shadow Of course not. Outside Observers aren't omnipotent
[01:34:11] Shadow At that point it's pretty much gg
[01:34:11] Starr|Ipod Ah I see
[01:34:41] Shadow But it's an unlikely scenario because the Mana in the whole universe... well, is a lot
[01:34:47] Keileon ^
[01:34:49] Ziolang You could definitely vorpalize the entire manaverse given adequate time and prep
[01:35:09] Keileon Wellllll that depends on a few things, but
[01:35:10] Starr|Ipod If I got close to that then probably you might start to see the Leeg of Faggots jumping in to save it
[01:35:15] Ziolang That would just be like... a very very very very very long and complicated process
[01:35:24] Starr|Ipod *it
[01:35:36] Shadow That would assume that the Leeg would have tried (and failed) to do save it, too
[01:35:42] Starr|Ipod Yeah
[01:35:48] Shadow A Vorpalized Manaverse is basically the endgame here
[01:35:54] Ziolang This is an insanely hypothetical situation
[01:36:03] Starr|Ipod You can't vibration out of that I think
[01:36:12] Ziolang That I probably shouldn't even bother exploring
[01:36:31] Ziolang >Vorpalize the manaverse
[01:36:34] Starr|Ipod You will regardless
[01:36:39] Keileon It would most likely never happen, unless the Manaverse does not follow the theory that the universe is still infinitely expanding from a Big Bang-type event
[01:36:40] Ziolang >Accidently some Kivorde
[01:36:42] Starr|Ipod I know ou well
[01:36:42] Starr|Ipod You
[01:37:09] Shadow Well at that point a number of things could happen, and most of them aren't exactly pretty
[01:37:40] Keileon I also feel like at /some/ point the Hierarchs might step in
[01:38:50] Shadow There might not be any need. The Counter Force might as well reboot the Manaverse on its own. Or maybe it'll allow the Pattern Screamers at the edge of the Manaverse to close in. Or maybe there's an aetheric singularity as Mana begins cycling back with no room to exist
[01:39:02] Shadow None of them are pretty
[01:39:04] Starr|Ipod The what now
[01:39:05] Keileon The-- what?
[01:39:11] Keileon Pattern Screamers?
[01:39:25] Starr|Ipod Shadow loves throwing new terms
[01:39:31] Starr|Ipod It's like his fetish
[01:39:42] Ziolang I SEE IT
[01:39:45] Ziolang THE PATTERN
[01:39:48] Keileon LOL
[01:39:51] Starr|Ipod LOL
[01:40:34] Shadow tl;dr eldritch abominations that exist at the edge of the universe in a perpetual state of un-reality
[01:40:45] Starr|Ipod Oh that sounds more familiar
[01:40:49] Ziolang Rebooting Manaverse.exe
[01:41:02] Starr|Ipod *windows 10 update instead*
[01:41:17] Ziolang *windows edge
[01:41:25] Starr|Ipod I wonder what would aberrations do in this drei
[01:41:35] Starr|Ipod Just curiosity
[01:41:53] Ziolang I should sleep
[01:42:07] Ziolang I have to get up early tomorrow iirc
[01:42:18] Keileon Aw
[01:42:23] Keileon but this is fun
[01:42:25] Starr|Ipod Sahel would be like "I WANNA KILL HOOMAN-- oh what are these red people?"
[01:42:26] Ziolang This has been fun tho
[01:42:39] Starr|Ipod "..I...Idk what to do anymore."
[01:42:46] Ziolang I really need to do this more often
[01:42:52] Starr|Ipod *come on
[01:42:54] Starr|Ipod Fixed
[01:42:55] Keileon yes
[01:43:22] Ziolang I've started wiki pages for Boravel and dream!world. I'll try to get them out asap
[01:43:30] Starr|Ipod NAISU
[01:43:31] Keileon stay up
[01:43:32] Starr|Ipod -caps
[01:43:41] Ziolang butbutbut
[01:43:44] Ziolang but
[01:44:03] Keileon How early do you need to be up
[01:44:07] Ziolang I have... uh... cancer! Yeah, I have cancer so
[01:44:16] Keileon pls
[01:44:28] Ziolang idek if I do have to be up early tbh
[01:44:35] Starr|Ipod Lel
[01:44:35] Keileon Well, check?
[01:44:42] Ziolang I can't remember these things
[01:44:51] Ziolang can't, everyone else is asleep
[01:44:54] Ziolang so...
[01:44:58] Starr|Ipod Rip
[01:45:00] Keileon Tomorrow's Saturday the 9th does that help
[01:45:00] Ziolang Meh, w/e
[01:45:05] Shadow you have to take risks in life
[01:45:08] Ziolang I'll stay up a little longer
[01:45:08] Shadow living on the edge
[01:45:10] Keileon k
[01:45:12] Starr|Ipod LOL
[01:45:19] Ziolang So wait
[01:45:21] Keileon But yes
[01:45:23] Starr|Ipod That reminded me of that TTK with like 7 buckets
[01:45:26] Shadow Like running an event in 100 buckets
[01:45:30] Starr|Ipod Living on the edge
[01:45:31] Shadow yes
[01:45:32] Keileon Drei.
[01:45:32] Starr|Ipod Yeah
[01:45:33] Ziolang hold on shadow
[01:45:34] Ziolang hold on
[01:45:54] Starr|Ipod Why is Drei suddenly the hot topic of summer
[01:45:54] Ziolang /we're/ the Pattern Screamers... technically?
[01:46:00] Keileon LOL
[01:46:01] Starr|Ipod ...
[01:46:03] Shadow Yes
[01:46:06] Starr|Ipod No don't do this
[01:46:07] Ziolang Called it
[01:46:18] Starr|Ipod My brain
[01:46:18] Shadow We cast patterns into the Manaverse, and the patterns define them
[01:46:29] Ziolang Makes sense
[01:46:49] Ziolang Which explains why within the manaverse they'd be "eldritch abominations"
[01:46:53] Ziolang weeeeeiiiiird
[01:46:54] Starr|Ipod I scream a lot so I fill in the part
[01:47:15] Keileon So like.
[01:47:17] Ziolang We're our own character's impossible dreams
[01:47:31] Starr|Ipod To my characters: sorry
[01:47:39] Starr|Ipod I'm a bad Screaming pattern
[01:47:49] Keileon Assuming the whole thing with Shiveztel happens and he becomes a Skyking under Voderan authority
[01:48:01] Keileon The dragon/Vodera dynamic would be... interesting
[01:48:06] Keileon Also, technically
[01:48:15] Keileon Since Shiveztel is a Darkwing Firedrake
[01:48:27] Keileon The Vodera are /kind of/ appointing one of their own to rule
[01:48:37] Ziolang [Shadow thought I wouldn't catch that one. Wrooooong]
[01:48:48] Ziolang Yeah I really need to find out Hirasu's motivation
[01:48:56] Ziolang If I'm gonna understand his methods
[01:49:20] Shadow Actually I wasn't really making a reference but I think you nailed an unintentional one
[01:49:43] Starr|Ipod What if he just DL's Manaverse GO and is just acquiring planets just to become the very best
[01:49:54] Starr|Ipod DL'd
[01:49:56] Keileon Then the Manaverse would crash
[01:50:21] Shadow I feel he's just playing WorldColle
[01:50:22] Ziolang But he knows Vorpal++
[01:50:25] Starr|Ipod LOL
[01:50:39] Starr|Ipod makes sense because he'd be sinking everyone for the hell of it :^)
[01:50:45] Ziolang hey now
[01:50:51] Shadow top kek
[01:50:52] Ziolang not all demons are jerks
[01:50:57] Ziolang just most of them
[01:51:08] Starr|Ipod Hirasu: "Okay I'm at the Phantasia map. I need good RNG"
[01:51:13] Starr|Ipod *destroys Mantua*
[01:51:23] Starr|Ipod "South route let's go"
[01:51:47] Ziolang *Rare Shadow Drop*
[01:51:50] Keileon And this is where I lose track of the conversation
[01:51:51] Ziolang *Sinks it*
[01:52:02] Shadow >farming maps is just killing inhabitants until someone important shows up
[01:52:27] Starr|Ipod Yes
[01:52:51] Starr|Ipod Hirasu goes to /d/ to complain about the drops
[01:53:55] Starr|Ipod "I've been stuck in Phantasia for almost two weeks. I asked for my vacation time and have been farming since then but nothing. This game is bs. There's no strategy, no skill. Just wild RNG. I've sunk many planets to get this rare drop but nothing. I'm done here."
[01:54:02] Shadow LMAO
[01:54:33] Shadow Hirasu looks like he's spending his time very well
[01:55:05] Ziolang He's technically the top player atm
[01:55:09] Starr|Ipod Bet you he buys buckets smh
[01:55:32] Ziolang >he bought the extra docks and shipyards
[01:55:41] Starr|Ipod Imagine the demon fail compilation
[01:55:49] Ziolang what are we even
[01:55:55] Starr|Ipod No shhh
[01:55:57] Starr|Ipod Let it happen
[01:56:01] Starr|Ipod It's keeping you here
[01:56:18] Keileon Zio I stopped being able to follow this conversation five minutes ago
[01:56:28] Ziolang >Hirasu collects all the planets
[01:56:35] Ziolang >max trains/levels them all
[01:56:38] Shadow Well saying he's the top player would be pretty accurate though. At any rate, I wouldn't think the scope of the invasion is that large by the time of SCT, especially depending on who the opposition even is
[01:56:44] Ziolang >Turns abyssal and sinks them all
[01:56:54] Shadow >bad end
[01:57:26] Keileon Shadow; he's fighting Vindrgard, Crysia, and maybe Rinul. That's not an easy combination of opponents regardless
[01:57:36] Ziolang I think
[01:57:45] Ziolang It would be best for our purposes
[01:58:01] Ziolang To have SCT encompass the invasions of tough targets like them
[01:58:04] Starr|Ipod Leeg of faggots would be the plan be I think
[01:58:11] Keileon Probably yeah
[01:58:16] Keileon Or attempted invasions
[01:58:42] Ziolang They'd still be off conquering pleb planets; but for RP purposes saving those worlds for SCt is best
[01:58:42] Keileon Vindrgard's been perfecting the human race for millennia
[01:58:57] Ziolang *SCT
[01:59:05] Shadow Most likely with such large players in the game, the "war" is kind of at a really intense stalemate, with no side gaining definite traction
[01:59:28] Ziolang Planets would be rallying behind each side
[01:59:37] Shadow We can use this as the opening scenario for SCT and let circumstances decide which way the war tilts
[01:59:57] Ziolang >mfw this means there's two timelines for Drei
[02:00:01] Keileon So like each side trying to take the other's lumber camps and farms and such rather than going straight for the castles and wonders
[02:00:03] Shadow wat
[02:00:24] Ziolang One for each side winning
[02:00:33] Starr|Ipod That's not KanColle so I can't understand
[02:00:37] Keileon Not quite how timelines work
[02:00:43] Keileon now you know how I feel starr
[02:00:50] Ziolang OH
[02:00:51] Ziolang Duh
[02:00:55] Ziolang I'm stupid
[02:00:58] Starr|Ipod I was playing around hut okay
[02:00:59] Keileon Took you long enough LOL
[02:01:00] Starr|Ipod But
[02:01:27] Ziolang Nono something totally different from timelines
[02:01:39] Keileon (starr; Age of Empires)
[02:01:45] Starr|Ipod Ah
[02:01:54] Starr|Ipod That game I don't pick up
[02:02:08] Ziolang Why Hirasu would allow planets to simply ally with him rather than his straight invading them
[02:02:33] Keileon Not wasting resources
[02:02:37] Ziolang The obvious answer being the fact that he's not making headway against the resistance
[02:02:42] Keileon yeah
[02:03:05] Ziolang dur dur dur
[02:03:07] Keileon I want to note
[02:03:21] Keileon Shiveztel being a proxy leader needs to happen post-SCT
[02:03:23] Starr|Ipod To build trust and tear them down
[02:03:33] Keileon Because he's still like 15-19 at SCT.
[02:03:35] Shadow His biggest roadblock is probably Crysians tbh, so I'll need to confirm with crazE how they'd even approach this
[02:03:36] Starr|Ipod Hreniou literally does that
[02:03:37] Ziolang k
[02:03:39] Starr|Ipod *greniou
[02:04:14] Ziolang When does he get back, btw?
[02:04:21] Ziolang Gotts be soon
[02:04:27] Keileon idk I think Vindrgard would be as big an issue as Crysia